Rapture believers- pre/mid/post, and why?

[Barang]

Of all the important and interesting stories in the bible the rapture has to be the least of them. It's focused on by protestants as some kind of enabling mechanism to justify pre-destination and generally unpleasant Calvinistic concepts. Believing the world is going to end is just generally unhealthy and morbid.

Only Evangelicals seem to get caught up in it, in other Christian faiths it is not emphasized.

Revelation 1:3King James Version (KJV)
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

I don't know, when God reveals terrible time coming, I want to know: Matthew 24:21King James Version (KJV)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Okay. How do you deal with His High Priestly prayer (John 17) that we NOT be taken out of the world?

If they were taken out of the world prematurely, then who will spread the Gospel? God has timetable and everything will be fullfilled at its appointed time.

[RAMCLAP]

Revelation 1:3King James Version (KJV)
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

I don't know, when God reveals terrible time coming, I want to know: Matthew 24:21King James Version (KJV)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.



If they were taken out of the world prematurely, then who will spread the Gospel? God has timetable and everything will be fullfilled at its appointed time.

Ah. Ok. My bad. That is also the Amil view. I mistakenly thought you were a pre-Tribber.

[Sailormilan2]

It is interesting that everyone here keeps referring to Revelation, but one cannot study Revelation without including Daniel. Revelation is just a continuation of Daniel, with more detail.
I do not believe that the "Tribulation" has yet happened, because of Matt. 24:22. I haven't seen anything yet, that fits the peramaters of being that nasty that time needs to be cut short.
Nor do I believe that any on that list of names that was supposed to be the "beast" are the beast. From my readings of Daniel and Revelation, there are some specific time periods involed with the "Beast" and I haven't heard that those have been fulfilled.

[Lineman101]

It is interesting that everyone here keeps referring to Revelation, but one cannot study Revelation without including Daniel. Revelation is just a continuation of Daniel, with more detail.
I do not believe that the "Tribulation" has yet happened, because of Matt. 24:22. I haven't seen anything yet, that fits the peramaters of being that nasty that time needs to be cut short.
Nor do I believe that any on that list of names that was supposed to be the "beast" are the beast. From my readings of Daniel and Revelation, there are some specific time periods involed with the "Beast" and I haven't heard that those have been fulfilled.

Are you specifically referring to Daniel 9? Since Daniel 9 is often used to support the 70th week hypothesis.
Lineman101

[Sailormilan2]

Are you specifically referring to Daniel 9? Since Daniel 9 is often used to support the 70th week hypothesis.
Lineman101

I was actualy referring to Daniel 7 and Rev. 17.
However, I was raised with a version of the 70 week prophecy that basically was that it was an over and done with prophecy concerning the building of the 2nd Temple. But, I have since heard some other theories concerning the 70 weeks, that indicate that the "weeks" or "sevens" may actualy refer to a calendar "year", or it may refer to a literal 70 weeks. But, the jury is still out on those.

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[Not a Cook]

I was actualy referring to Daniel 7 and Rev. 17.
However, I was raised with a version of the 70 week prophecy that basically was that it was an over and done with prophecy concerning the building of the 2nd Temple. But, I have since heard some other theories concerning the 70 weeks, that indicate that the "weeks" or "sevens" may actualy refer to a calendar "year", or it may refer to a literal 70 weeks. But, the jury is still out on those.

Literally, the prophecy concerns "seventy sevens". Each "seven" is actually a seven year period, and all 70 sevens equals 490 years. 69 of these seven year periods, or 483 years, have already taken place and their fulfillment (from the date of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the date of Christ's triumphal entry into Jerusalem) is a major fulfillment of prophecy. The last seven years of the 70 "sevens" prophecy has yet to happen, and will be the fulfilled during the time commonly referred to as the tribulation.

I'd explain further, but it's slow typing on my "smart phone", and so I'll simply copy and paste someone else's explanation on this topic. If you have questions, just let me know (btw, sorry for not replying sooner...it seems I've missed some posts). From http://www.mainstreetbaptist.org/70-...iods-daniel-9/ -

[American Samurai]

Unfortunately this man is not a Gospel Preacher. Gotta love those one man ministries.

[badinage]

considering how long ago the bible was written and that it was written by men, its important to understand the stories were there to fit the times they were written in, and laden with the ignorance of the era

[Not a Cook]

considering how long ago the bible was written and that it was written by men, its important to understand the stories were there to fit the times they were written in, and laden with the ignorance of the era

Ummm... Ignorance in the Bible?!? Nope... There is no ignorance in the Bible. The Bible was not written for only one era, but for all time. It was written by men under the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

[American Samurai]

considering how long ago the bible was written and that it was written by men, its important to understand the stories were there to fit the times they were written in, and laden with the ignorance of the era

Yawn*
People have been trying to discredit and bury the Bible since the beginning of time.

[Sailormilan2]

Literally, the prophecy concerns "seventy sevens". Each "seven" is actually a seven year period, and all 70 sevens equals 490 years. 69 of these seven year periods, or 483 years, have already taken place and their fulfillment (from the date of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the date of Christ's triumphal entry into Jerusalem) is a major fulfillment of prophecy. The last seven years of the 70 "sevens" prophecy has yet to happen, and will be the fulfilled during the time commonly referred to as the tribulation.

I'd explain further, but it's slow typing on my "smart phone", and so I'll simply copy and paste someone else's explanation on this topic. If you have questions, just let me know (btw, sorry for not replying sooner...it seems I've missed some posts). From http://www.mainstreetbaptist.org/70-...iods-daniel-9/ -

I pretty much grew up with that interpretation you used. However, a look in a concordance regarding the word "week" or a "seven" finds that it can refer to a literal "year". Since the word week, or a seven, can refer to the "Feast of Weeks", which is 7 weeks long. The feast from Passover to Pentacost.
So, in that verse, there is a possibility it is being used euphamistically for a year. I am stating a possibilty only, just another view of things.

[Lineman101]

I'm gonna look at the math further, but one problem I see, is the 360 day year. Additionally, Cyrus was the one God said would re-build Jerusalem. Anyway, the seven weeks of years is I see, 7 Jubilee times. Each Jubilee occuring every 70th year. Ultimately pointing to Jesus and the final Jubilee year fulfilled at the Passion, when He destroyed the work of the devil. This is when our Lord set free His people.

The prophecy as I remember says after 69 weeks the Messiah would be cut off. Does not that put Jesus in the 70th week and also the cruxifiction?