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  • #76
    BakoJ
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    • Dec 2012
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    Originally posted by TrailerparkTrash
    This thread is truly remarkable. Pretty much the majority of the comments here are nothing more than feeding to the distraction of Jesus? second coming (which none has any clue as to when that will occur) and side-lining that man needs to recognize and confess our thanks that Jesus is Lord and Savior.

    This entire rapture stuff has clouded the minds and distracted souls from focusing on what?s really important. The ?rapture? be it myth or fact, is uncertain. It?s unprovable and is a secondary issue. In the big scheme of things, secondary issues are not core to solid Christian orthodoxy, nor is the topic important for one?s salvation.

    What?s important is calling on Jesus to be our Lord & Savior, repentance and getting our lives in order NOW with Jesus (if you haven?t already done so). That?s it.

    The rapture topic just creates colorful imaginations to run wild, let alone creates a huge swell of Bible misinterpretation and arguments amongst true believers.

    ?Which by the way, is exactly what Satan wants to happen.
    Amen!
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    Isaiah 41:10
    So do not fear, for I am with you;
    do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
    I will strengthen you and help you;
    I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

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    • #77
      RAMCLAP
      Veteran Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 2868

      Originally posted by TrailerparkTrash
      This thread is truly remarkable. Pretty much the majority of the comments here are nothing more than feeding to the distraction of Jesus? second coming (which none has any clue as to when that will occur) and side-lining that man needs to recognize and confess our thanks that Jesus is Lord and Savior.

      This entire rapture stuff has clouded the minds and distracted souls from focusing on what?s really important. The ?rapture? be it myth or fact, is uncertain. It?s unprovable and is a secondary issue. In the big scheme of things, secondary issues are not core to solid Christian orthodoxy, nor is the topic important for one?s salvation.

      What?s important is calling on Jesus to be our Lord & Savior, repentance and getting our lives in order NOW with Jesus (if you haven?t already done so). That?s it.

      The rapture topic just creates colorful imaginations to run wild, let alone creates a huge swell of Bible misinterpretation and arguments amongst true believers.

      ?Which by the way, is exactly what Satan wants to happen.
      Couldn't agree more.
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      • #78
        RAMCLAP
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        • Nov 2012
        • 2868

        Originally posted by ZapThyCat
        It became "fashionable". That alone is a bummer. Previously, you had to repent and be baptized and be filled with the Holy Ghost. Now, you just had to follow the crowd.
        You still did and you still do. It's all part of the expanding Kingdom. There are tares in the wheat field but the Kingdom grows.
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        • #79
          MrTokarev
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          • Jul 2012
          • 2783

          Originally posted by madmax64
          Many pastors on YouTube said that the Rapture should happen during the Jewish High Holidays, especially the Feast of Trumpets.

          Leviticus 23:23-25 talks about celebrating during the Festival of Trumpets (the Jewish are encouraged to celebrate). Notice "23" as in our current year, 20-23.

          The Feast (or Festival) of Trumpets will end on September 17, 2023 at nightfall which is at 7:07 PM in Jerusalem. Keep in mind, the number "7" is one of God's favorite numbers.

          1 Thess. 4:16 "For the LORD himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God..."

          Friday, September 15th at sundown is the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets, at the same time a new moon will appear.

          Well, we will see what happens in September. God bless you all.
          So what did the YouTube pastors have to say after the 17th? What?s the next doomsday date?
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          • #80
            TrailerparkTrash
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            • Oct 2005
            • 4249

            Originally posted by ZapThyCat
            There are two sets of Biblical feasts. On Jesus first coming, he fulfilled the spring feasts: He was our Passover lamb, He gave the Holy Ghost on Pentecost, etc.
            So the fall feasts will fulfilled on His second coming: The feast of trumpets, the day of Atonement, and I think the feast of Tabernacles. These all happen in the fall, specifically September of this year.

            Take it with a grain of salt, if you will, but God is all about symbolism, and this makes sense. Like, a lot of sense.
            So come this October 1st, do we call you “wrong”? …a “false teacher?”


            …again?

            Originally posted by MrTokarev
            So what did the YouTube pastors have to say after the 17th? What?s the next doomsday date?
            ^^^No kidding!
            Why anybody watches those charlatans on YouTube is beyond me.

            1 Corinthians 3:18-21 (NIV)
            Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “FOOLS” so that you may become wise. 19-For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”; 20-and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” 21-So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours,
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            • #81
              ZapThyCat
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              • Apr 2006
              • 2610

              Originally posted by TrailerparkTrash
              So come this October 1st, do we call you ?wrong?? ?a ?false teacher??
              How do you figure? I never said anything was going to happen. I simply said, "there are some signs that something might happen, keep your eyes open".

              You seriously need to check yourself.
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              • #82
                KJV1611
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2022
                • 44

                Originally posted by ZapThyCat
                How do you figure? I never said anything was going to happen. I simply said, "there are some signs that something might happen, keep your eyes open".

                You seriously need to check yourself.
                The biggest problem is that we dont use Biblical terminology. The gathering together unto Christ is AFTER the TRIBULATION described in Matthew and Mark.

                Matthew 24:29 (KJV) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
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                Mark 13:24 (KJV) But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
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                • #83
                  Kokopelli
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                  • Sep 2008
                  • 3387

                  Originally posted by KJV1611
                  The biggest problem is that we dont use Biblical terminology. The gathering together unto Christ is AFTER the TRIBULATION described in Matthew and Mark.

                  Matthew 24:29 (KJV) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
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                  Mark 13:24 (KJV) But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
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                  https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...u7BtzWmNAupkt7
                  In Revelation 3:10, Jesus Himself says that believers do not go through the tribulation.

                  Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.
                  Don't forget the lesson in the parable of the ten virgins from Matthew 25.

                  ?Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. But at midnight there was a cry, ?Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.? Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ?Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.? But the wise answered, saying, ?Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.? And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ?Lord, lord, open to us.? But he answered, ?Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.? Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.
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                  • #84
                    2761377
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2013
                    • 2063

                    Rev 3:11-12

                    Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast to what you have, that no one may take your crown. He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

                    No "rapture".

                    the faithful will be sustained during the Tribulation by Christ while He judges the world.
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                    • #85
                      KJV1611
                      Junior Member
                      • Jul 2022
                      • 44

                      Originally posted by 2761377
                      Rev 3:11-12

                      Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast to what you have, that no one may take your crown. He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

                      No "rapture".

                      the faithful will be sustained during the Tribulation by Christ while He judges the world.
                      You?re conflating tribulation with God?s wrath. They are not the same.

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                      • #86
                        skilletboy
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                        • Feb 2010
                        • 2634

                        Originally posted by Kokopelli
                        In Revelation 3:10, Jesus Himself says that believers do not go through the tribulation.



                        Don't forget the lesson in the parable of the ten virgins from Matthew 25.
                        There are other scripture references that claim other wise which is why, yet again, you and I find ourselves at the same crossroad. Seminaries across the globe don't agree, nor do scholars and teachers across the entire span of church history on this topic.

                        Matt 24:22 which was just mentioned, Jesus claims that time "must be cut short" for the sake of the elect, meaning the elect are going though it.

                        We can go round and round on this topic bc are you fail to acknowledge, while we each have our own opinions, there are completely biblical valid differing views on this topic.
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                        • #87
                          Kokopelli
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                          • Sep 2008
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                          Originally posted by skilletboy
                          There are other scripture references that claim other wise which is why, yet again, you and I find ourselves at the same crossroad. Seminaries across the globe don't agree, nor do scholars and teachers across the entire span of church history on this topic.

                          Matt 24:22 which was just mentioned, Jesus claims that time "must be cut short" for the sake of the elect, meaning the elect are going though it.

                          We can go round and round on this topic bc are you fail to acknowledge, while we each have our own opinions, there are completely biblical valid differing views on this topic.
                          Referencing the bold portions in your post, if other scripture claim otherwise, share them. Let the Bible defend itself. God is not a god of confusion. IF the bride of Christ (THE CHURCH0 gets raptured mid or post trib, there should be something to validate that in scripture. Post it and educate me.

                          Regarding the elect (Bold portion again.) people do come to faith after the rapture of the church. That's what the 144,000 are commissioned to do: EVANGELIZE.

                          All opinions are negated by the Word of God.
                          If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth. - Ronald Reagan

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                          • #88
                            Kokopelli
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                            • Sep 2008
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                            Adding information for the sake of the topic. I hope it helps someone.

                            Believers Will Be Leaving

                            If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth. - Ronald Reagan

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                            • #89
                              Kokopelli
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                              • Sep 2008
                              • 3387

                              A well laid out message; The Rapture - According To Jesus.

                              If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth. - Ronald Reagan

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