The Rapture is imminent?

[MrFancyPants]

Slightly disagree for the following reason. Knowing that it could be tomorrow is a bit of encouragement to keep on the path. I don't know about others but I can use all the "encouragement" I can get. I face temptation every day and the money doesn't help -- it makes matters far more difficult than they would be otherwise.

Well, what also should be encouragement to "keep on the path" is the simple fact that you alone could be taken out of this world at any given time, as there are a million different ways the world can kill you every single day. We need to be ready to come to the Lord every moment we're alive, because once that threshold is crossed, the chance for repentance is gone.

I don't think about the Rapture, other than knowing it could happen at any moment. I continue to live my life accordingly, realizing every day that I fall far short of the Lord, and apologizing and asking forgiveness every day because of that.

[Dirtlaw]

Well, what also should be encouragement to "keep on the path" is the simple fact that you alone could be taken out of this world at any given time, as there are a million different ways the world can kill you every single day. We need to be ready to come to the Lord every moment we're alive, because once that threshold is crossed, the chance for repentance is gone.

I don't think about the Rapture, other than knowing it could happen at any moment. I continue to live my life accordingly, realizing every day that I fall far short of the Lord, and apologizing and asking forgiveness every day because of that.

Yes. I want to be what He wants me to be. I'm such a sinner though. Still, I can feel His hand reaching to pull me up. Amazing love. Undeserved love.

[audiophil2]

Trying to predict a rapture date when poeple cant even agree on what day is the sabbath.

The jews go to temple on SATURDAY.

The first day of the week is SUNday (1), MOONday (2nd day named after the moon), Tue (3rd day, Tiu germanic god), Wed (4th day named after Wodens day, which is norse), Thursday (5th day named after Thors day which is also norse), Friday (6th day named after Freya) and then finally the 7th day Saturday (saturns day, which is named after a roman god for wealth).

Why all these pagan names? If the Old Testament is the Torah or jewish Cepher, why do we have a different sabbath day?

The ROMAN catholics changed it to SUNday because they worship Apollo, the god of the sun and Mirthras. Check out mithraism and some of the traditions, its a blend of wahts practiced now. Very interesting how Constatine mixed everything. The problem with SUNday is its the FIRST day of the week not the 7th...

Romans boogered all our cycles up. See the Gregorian calendar (also by the ROMAN catholics), this changes all our months. For example Oct means 8 yet OCTober is the 10th month. They are trying to confuse us and get us away from the creator and think THEY are the authority on earth. This has polluted everything...


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We cant even get the Sabbath right little own predict a rapture date....mammon has really messed with things.

Pretty easy.
Rome was falling apart.
Christians were being slaughtered but still paid their taxes.
Pagans we're easy to control but they wanted everything given to them and did not want to pay taxes
Boss man has a meeting and decides Christian God is better because his followers pay taxes and makes the pagans join. They then pay taxes.
Roman Catholic Church is founded as a government religion.
Council of Nicea 325ad ended the original Jesus based church and began the 4th Church in revelation called Thyatira, or Roman Catholic Church. All the pagan gods and symbols were mixed into the RCC.

The correct calendar is 13 months of 28 days with one 1 as a new beginning just like Sabbath in Genesis. Women have 28 day periods. Moon has 28 day cycle. Tides have 28 day cycle. Yes all the months are the Pagan gods. As the days of the week. All goes back the Thyatira and RCs worship idols and not even realizing it. That why some Christian religions don't have statues of anyone. No Mary or Joseph or Apostles as they are all false idols. You don't pray to them when you can prey to the Big Guy.

As for Rapture I have no idea. I don't care. When it happens it happens. It is coming though. USA Constitution was the start of the 6th church in recalled Philadelphia. It's no coincidence that Philadelphia had so many important events. It was about the underdog beating the boss. July 4 1776. Dec 25-26, 1776 was when Washington the underdog finally started kicking butt. Notice the 7s. October 17,1777 turns the war at Saratoga. October, the 8th month. 8 is a symbol of new beginnings. And all those 7s for completion. Washington then does what no one has done. He defeats the King and instead of becoming the King of America he steps aside. Freedom begins after thousands of years of false democracies that were all truly beaurocracies. Haves telling the have nots what to do. But USA has become a beaurocracy in a short time.

I don't spend much time on revelation but I like Genesis. The first three words of Genesis lay out the entire story of the Jesus when you read it in ancient Hebrew. From Earth to Jesus dying in the cross is just those three English words. But they are 6 words in ancient Hebrew. 6 is a symbol for man. It is the story of God as a man.
Loosely translated from ancient Hebrew, In the beginning is actually

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning

These three words are perfect visually and mathematically when read in ancient Hebrew.

Ancient Hebrew has 22 letters and each letter has a specific number. It is read right to left.
Half of 22 is 11. Genesis 1:1. If you see 11:11 on a clock often it is a sign of new beginnings.

The Torah Hebrew is one word.

In the beginning = Berei****h

Berei****h translated to old Hebrew is 6 pictogram letter read from right to left.

Home (of)
God man
(Who is) God
(Wearing the) crown (of 3 parts)
(Who is the strong) right arm (of the Creator Himself)
(Who will go to the) Cross.

The numbers are as follows but changed to left to right order.

2 200 1 300 10 400

2 looks like a house.
200 looks like a human profile of a man.
1 looks like a bull with horns (horns denote power)
300 looks like a crown
10 looks like a right arm
400 looks like a cross.

Genesis 1:1 the first three words show the beginning and end of Jesus. The language existed long before a guy wore a crown of thorns and died on a cross. Can't be coincidence.

Beginning and end.
1 and 400.
Bull horns and cross.
Alef and Tav.
1 and 800 in Greek
Alpha and Omega.

[Barang]

Revelation 1:3 nkjv
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

there's a reason why Revelation was written and an important warning to the world if heeded, christian and pagans.

[ZapThyCat]

Stop speculating on when the end times will be! It's foolish! It could happen in our lifetime or it could not. Nobody knows, and nobody WILL know, no matter how deeply they read into scripture. God made it VERY CLEAR that only HE knows when it will be.

Speculation is, by it's very nature, something that is never known. If it were known it wouldn't be speculation.

There is the type of speculation where people want to know when it'll happen so they can "get ready" right before. This is wrong thinking no matter what.

There is the speculation where you get excited about the upcoming adoption. This isn't wrong.

[MrTokarev]

Pretty easy.
Rome was falling apart.
Christians were being slaughtered but still paid their taxes.
Pagans we're easy to control but they wanted everything given to them and did not want to pay taxes
Boss man has a meeting and decides Christian God is better because his followers pay taxes and makes the pagans join. They then pay taxes.
Roman Catholic Church is founded as a government religion.
Council of Nicea 325ad ended the original Jesus based church and began the 4th Church in revelation called Thyatira, or Roman Catholic Church. All the pagan gods and symbols were mixed into the RCC.

The correct calendar is 13 months of 28 days with one 1 as a new beginning just like Sabbath in Genesis. Women have 28 day periods. Moon has 28 day cycle. Tides have 28 day cycle. Yes all the months are the Pagan gods. As the days of the week. All goes back the Thyatira and RCs worship idols and not even realizing it. That why some Christian religions don't have statues of anyone. No Mary or Joseph or Apostles as they are all false idols. You don't pray to them when you can prey to the Big Guy.

As for Rapture I have no idea. I don't care. When it happens it happens. It is coming though. USA Constitution was the start of the 6th church in recalled Philadelphia. It's no coincidence that Philadelphia had so many important events. It was about the underdog beating the boss. July 4 1776. Dec 25-26, 1776 was when Washington the underdog finally started kicking butt. Notice the 7s. October 17,1777 turns the war at Saratoga. October, the 8th month. 8 is a symbol of new beginnings. And all those 7s for completion. Washington then does what no one has done. He defeats the King and instead of becoming the King of America he steps aside. Freedom begins after thousands of years of false democracies that were all truly beaurocracies. Haves telling the have nots what to do. But USA has become a beaurocracy in a short time.

I don't spend much time on revelation but I like Genesis. The first three words of Genesis lay out the entire story of the Jesus when you read it in ancient Hebrew. From Earth to Jesus dying in the cross is just those three English words. But they are 6 words in ancient Hebrew. 6 is a symbol for man. It is the story of God as a man.
Loosely translated from ancient Hebrew, In the beginning is actually

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning

These three words are perfect visually and mathematically when read in ancient Hebrew.

Ancient Hebrew has 22 letters and each letter has a specific number. It is read right to left.
Half of 22 is 11. Genesis 1:1. If you see 11:11 on a clock often it is a sign of new beginnings.

The Torah Hebrew is one word.

In the beginning = Berei****h

Berei****h translated to old Hebrew is 6 pictogram letter read from right to left.

Home (of)
God man
(Who is) God
(Wearing the) crown (of 3 parts)
(Who is the strong) right arm (of the Creator Himself)
(Who will go to the) Cross.

The numbers are as follows but changed to left to right order.

2 200 1 300 10 400

2 looks like a house.
200 looks like a human profile of a man.
1 looks like a bull with horns (horns denote power)
300 looks like a crown
10 looks like a right arm
400 looks like a cross.

Genesis 1:1 the first three words show the beginning and end of Jesus. The language existed long before a guy wore a crown of thorns and died on a cross. Can't be coincidence.

Beginning and end.
1 and 400.
Bull horns and cross.
Alef and Tav.
1 and 800 in Greek
Alpha and Omega.

More meaningless numerology.

And the first council of Nicaea didn?t end the church of Jesus. It allowed the early church to enumerate its doctrine and quash heresy. In fact, one of the primary goals was to deal with the Arian heresy that denied the divinity of Jesus.

The Nicene creed is perhaps the best, most concise enumeration of true Christian belief ever devised outside of holy scripture.

[MrFancyPants]

Speculation is, by it's very nature, something that is never known. If it were known it wouldn't be speculation.

Speculation is conjecture lacking evidence. It is not necessarily something which is never known, just something not known at the time a hypothesis is formed. Evidence can often times be discovered subsequently which affirms a speculated hypothesis.

God made it clear in the Bible that we will NEVER know the time of the Lord's return ahead of time. We simply will NOT know until it happens. So why put forth any thought or effort into something we will NEVER know, by looking for any evidence or interpretation which may have been missed? To me, it actually shows a lack of faith in the word of God, since He made it clear it's not our place to know, yet some seek the answer anyway, thinking they are somehow smarter and can find the hidden formula. Numerology is a practice of the occult, and God's stance on that is also made very clear in the Bible. Tread carefully.

[audiophil2]

More meaningless numerology.

And the first council of Nicaea didn?t end the church of Jesus. It allowed the early church to enumerate its doctrine and quash heresy. In fact, one of the primary goals was to deal with the Arian heresy that denied the divinity of Jesus.

The Nicene creed is perhaps the best, most concise enumeration of true Christian belief ever devised outside of holy scripture.

Constantine and the council of Nicea converted Christianity into the Roman Catholic Church which was a government controlled religion. You can't deny that. The Creed was to get pagans to pay taxes by believing in one god. All the pagan symbols started in that time period. Show my any examples of fish god and serpent god symbols before the Roman Catholic Church was founded.

Saying numerology is meaningless must mean you do not include the book of Numbers as part of the Bible.

The numbers are extremely important in the Bible.
1 God. It is also the symbol of a nail. 3 nails in the cross. Holy Trinity. 3 days between earth and heaven for resurrection, etc. 3 men on the cross. 3 sons of Noah. 1 good, one bad, 1 meh for both Noah's kids and the men on the cross.
6 is the sign of man. It also looks like a nail. 3 nails is 666 in ancient Hebrew. 666 is not only a bad number. Good came first and evil takes good and makes it bad. Evil can only change things it cannot create.
7 is sign of completion like 7 the day is rest and Sabbath
8 is a sign of new beginnings. On it's side it is the infinity symbol. It is aloha and Omega. Beginning and end.
10 is symbol of God. 10 commandments.

[MrTokarev]

Constantine and the council of Nicea converted Christianity into the Roman Catholic Church which was a government controlled religion. You can't deny that. The Creed was to get pagans to pay taxes by believing in one god. All the pagan symbols started in that time period. Show my any examples of fish god and serpent god symbols before the Roman Catholic Church was founded.

Saying numerology is meaningless must mean you do not include the book of Numbers as part of the Bible.

The numbers are extremely important in the Bible.
1 God. It is also the symbol of a nail. 3 nails in the cross. Holy Trinity. 3 days between earth and heaven for resurrection, etc. 3 men on the cross. 3 sons of Noah. 1 good, one bad, 1 meh for both Noah's kids and the men on the cross.
6 is the sign of man. It also looks like a nail. 3 nails is 666 in ancient Hebrew. 666 is not only a bad number. Good came first and evil takes good and makes it bad. Evil can only change things it cannot create.
7 is sign of completion like 7 the day is rest and Sabbath
8 is a sign of new beginnings. On it's side it is the infinity symbol. It is aloha and Omega. Beginning and end.
10 is symbol of God. 10 commandments.

Numbers being significant is not numerology.

Numerology (known prior to the 20th century as arithmancy) is the belief in an occult, divine or mystical relationship between a number and one or more coinciding events. It is also the study of the numerical value, via an alphanumeric system, of the letters in words and names. When numerology is applied to a person's name, it is a form of onomancy. It is often associated with the paranormal, alongside astrology, and is similar to divinatory arts.

Trying to show secret messages in scripture through numerology is occult and sinful.

The council of Nicaea was called to standardize the beliefs of Christians across the empire. Prior to Constantine?s conversion there was a problem with the widespread and secretive church developing divergent theologies. This is why Arianism was able to take root and why it needed to be weeded out. Nicaea was where Nicholas, bishop of Myra, slapped the heretic Arius, who denied both the divinity of Jesus but also the triune nature of God.

There?s a reason that Nicene Christianity is a synonym for mainstream Christianity.

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
consubstantial to the father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

[redbridge]

This gentleman does an 8 minute review of the topic discussing many of the points cited both for and against the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture.

His thoughts echo many of my feelings and concerns.

If this is a subject you have any interest in at all, it may be worth your while to give him a fair hearing. In particular he covers the potential downsides if you believe in a pre-trib rapture and that turns out to be a mistaken belief.

Great message. God bless you.

[Wordupmybrotha]

Numbers being significant is not numerology.



Trying to show secret messages in scripture through numerology is occult and sinful.

The council of Nicaea was called to standardize the beliefs of Christians across the empire. Prior to Constantine?s conversion there was a problem with the widespread and secretive church developing divergent theologies. This is why Arianism was able to take root and why it needed to be weeded out. Nicaea was where Nicholas, bishop of Myra, slapped the heretic Arius, who denied both the divinity of Jesus but also the triune nature of God.

There?s a reason that Nicene Christianity is a synonym for mainstream Christianity.

+1 Well said

[audiophil2]

Numbers being significant is not numerology.



Trying to show secret messages in scripture through numerology is occult and sinful.

The council of Nicaea was called to standardize the beliefs of Christians across the empire. Prior to Constantine?s conversion there was a problem with the widespread and secretive church developing divergent theologies. This is why Arianism was able to take root and why it needed to be weeded out. Nicaea was where Nicholas, bishop of Myra, slapped the heretic Arius, who denied both the divinity of Jesus but also the triune nature of God.

There?s a reason that Nicene Christianity is a synonym for mainstream Christianity.

+1 Well said

Only problem is that is not the original creed (symbol). The original creed left enough room for the pagan gods to be mixed into the new government created Roman Catholic Church and to hide under the rug that the government that murdered Jesus is the one now creating a government religion based on Jesus. Look at the 325 version vs the 381 version. The 325 versus reads like he slipped in his bathtub.

The Christian and Hebrew religions have no problems at all with numbers just like I said the book of numbers is part of the Bible. It is how you use numbers that determines right or wrong. The Catholic Church readily acknowledges numerology in the Bible and the writing s of people such as Ambrose and Augustine make it clear numerology is not bad when used for good. So that really makes your opinion tough to justify. St. Augustine of Hippo had no problems with numerology when used for good and he just so happened to be one of the big guys defining the word "sin". If Augustine knew what a sin was why would he not say numerology was a sin?



Constantine was still a pagan until his death. It was all about taxes and the easiest way to collect taxes and minimize expenses is to stop the tax paying Christians from fighting each other. Why else would it go from massacres to acceptance in 313 to a council in 325 where Constantine pays for all the bishops to travel and party to a government religion in 381? How much money, land, and power did the Christian church have prior to 380 ans how much did it accumulate as the Roman Catholic Church after 380 when it was legally allowed to do business and own land?

Don't forget the whole Easter (Ishtar) pagan holiday had to be picked out from the Jewish bread holiday during this council.

[RAMCLAP]

Only problem is that is not the original creed (symbol). The original creed left enough room for the pagan gods to be mixed into the new government created Roman Catholic Church and to hide under the rug that the government that murdered Jesus is the one now creating a government religion based on Jesus. Look at the 325 version vs the 381 version. The 325 versus reads like he slipped in his bathtub.

The Christian and Hebrew religions have no problems at all with numbers just like I said the book of numbers is part of the Bible. It is how you use numbers that determines right or wrong. The Catholic Church readily acknowledges numerology in the Bible and the writing s of people such as Ambrose and Augustine make it clear numerology is not bad when used for good. So that really makes your opinion tough to justify. St. Augustine of Hippo had no problems with numerology when used for good and he just so happened to be one of the big guys defining the word "sin". If Augustine knew what a sin was why would he not say numerology was a sin?



Constantine was still a pagan until his death. It was all about taxes and the easiest way to collect taxes and minimize expenses is to stop the tax paying Christians from fighting each other. Why else would it go from massacres to acceptance in 313 to a council in 325 where Constantine pays for all the bishops to travel and party to a government religion in 381? How much money, land, and power did the Christian church have prior to 380 ans how much did it accumulate as the Roman Catholic Church after 380 when it was legally allowed to do business and own land?

Don't forget the whole Easter (Ishtar) pagan holiday had to be picked out from the Jewish bread holiday during this council.

Sorry dude. Constantine made it legal to be a Christian without consequences. Can you show the decree that stated that Christianity was the "government religion"?

[ZapThyCat]

Sorry dude. Constantine made it legal to be a Christian without consequences. Can you show the decree that stated that Christianity was the "government religion"?

It became "fashionable". That alone is a bummer. Previously, you had to repent and be baptized and be filled with the Holy Ghost. Now, you just had to follow the crowd.

[TrailerparkTrash]

This thread is truly remarkable. Pretty much the majority of the comments here are nothing more than feeding to the distraction of Jesus’ second coming (which none has any clue as to when that will occur) and side-lining that man needs to recognize and confess our thanks that Jesus is Lord and Savior.

This entire rapture stuff has clouded the minds and distracted souls from focusing on what’s really important. The “rapture” be it myth or fact, is uncertain. It’s unprovable and is a secondary issue. In the big scheme of things, secondary issues are not core to solid Christian orthodoxy, nor is the topic important for one’s salvation.

What’s important is calling on Jesus to be our Lord & Savior, repentance and getting our lives in order NOW with Jesus (if you haven’t already done so). That’s it.

The rapture topic just creates colorful imaginations to run wild, let alone creates a huge swell of Bible misinterpretation and arguments amongst true believers.

…Which by the way, is exactly what Satan wants to happen.