The Rapture is imminent?

[Wordupmybrotha]

educator has been banned so he can't hear you...unless he comes back with another character.

[2761377]

The Rapture goes back to Raptus in the Latin Vulgate by St Jeremy, get yourself some real research Educator.

Psalm 1

so I googled this phrase by copying your text-

"Raptus in the Latin Vulgate by St Jeremy"

it produced this as the number one answer-

"The word Rapture isnt in the Latin Vulgate and the dangerous etymology of the word"

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=64515&forum=35

you should think again before talking down to someone that way.

[skilletboy]

I've made the mistake of engaging people in debate on this forum about this topic before so fire away and call me names and attack me all you want, but I believe the rapture happens AFTER the literal 7 year tribulation. So no I don't believe in a pre-tribulation rapture and so in that frame work can't happen. At least that's what I believe. Just adding to the discussion. This view is part of the mainstream theological views taught in seminaries all across the world and the USA, including conservative seminaries. Just do an internet search for "Post-tribulation rapture" and you can see the arguments for it.

The way things are going though I'm gonna get real interested in a major world leader shows up on the stage, makes peace in Israel and they rebuild the temple.

[bruss01]

This gentleman does an 8 minute review of the topic discussing many of the points cited both for and against the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture.

His thoughts echo many of my feelings and concerns.

If this is a subject you have any interest in at all, it may be worth your while to give him a fair hearing. In particular he covers the potential downsides if you believe in a pre-trib rapture and that turns out to be a mistaken belief.

[skilletboy]

Just replying to the above video:

I don't believe that believers will be "tricked" into taking the MoTB. I got into this with people who claimed the covid vax was the MoTB. It's not something we will miss or be tricked into taking. It will be clear to the church IMO.

That said I do think there are other concerns about being locked into a pre-trip view. I listened to a message once about this and the pastor was saying that if you have a pre-trip view and it turns out God allows the church to go through the entire 7 years, many might fall away bc they were confused, or took offense at God, or mistakenly think odd things.

The opposite could be said for how I view things. Though I have a post-trip rapture view I try to hold into it with a loose grip. I'm always open to being convinced differently and God acting differently. Of course if God just up and takes us all one day without warning there is little danger tbh... it'll be just that.

[JoshlikesARs]

Trying to predict a rapture date when poeple cant even agree on what day is the sabbath.

The jews go to temple on SATURDAY.

The first day of the week is SUNday (1), MOONday (2nd day named after the moon), Tue (3rd day, Tiu germanic god), Wed (4th day named after Wodens day, which is norse), Thursday (5th day named after Thors day which is also norse), Friday (6th day named after Freya) and then finally the 7th day Saturday (saturns day, which is named after a roman god for wealth).

Why all these pagan names? If the Old Testament is the Torah or jewish Cepher, why do we have a different sabbath day?

The ROMAN catholics changed it to SUNday because they worship Apollo, the god of the sun and Mirthras. Check out mithraism and some of the traditions, its a blend of wahts practiced now. Very interesting how Constatine mixed everything. The problem with SUNday is its the FIRST day of the week not the 7th...

Romans boogered all our cycles up. See the Gregorian calendar (also by the ROMAN catholics), this changes all our months. For example Oct means 8 yet OCTober is the 10th month. They are trying to confuse us and get us away from the creator and think THEY are the authority on earth. This has polluted everything...


Recommended reading:

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-two-babylons-or-the-papal-worship-proved-to-be-the-worship-of-nimrod-and-his-wife_alexander-hislop/354963/?resultid=4054664a-0c2d-481b-b74d-d20a2bd52f61#edition=7229065&idiq=44475276

We cant even get the Sabbath right little own predict a rapture date....mammon has really messed with things.

[Barang]

Trying to predict a rapture date when poeple cant even agree on what day is the sabbath.

The jews go to temple on SATURDAY.

The first day of the week is SUNday (1), MOONday (2nd day named after the moon), Tue (3rd day, Tiu germanic god), Wed (4th day named after Wodens day, which is norse), Thursday (5th day named after Thors day which is also norse), Friday (6th day named after Freya) and then finally the 7th day Saturday (saturns day, which is named after a roman god for wealth).

Why all these pagan names? If the Old Testament is the Torah or jewish Cepher, why do we have a different sabbath day?

The ROMAN catholics changed it to SUNday because they worship Apollo, the god of the sun and Mirthras. Check out mithraism and some of the traditions, its a blend of wahts practiced now. Very interesting how Constatine mixed everything. The problem with SUNday is its the FIRST day of the week not the 7th...

Romans boogered all our cycles up. See the Gregorian calendar (also by the ROMAN catholics), this changes all our months. For example Oct means 8 yet OCTober is the 10th month. They are trying to confuse us and get us away from the creator and think THEY are the authority on earth. This has polluted everything...


Recommended reading:

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-two-babylons-or-the-papal-worship-proved-to-be-the-worship-of-nimrod-and-his-wife_alexander-hislop/354963/?resultid=4054664a-0c2d-481b-b74d-d20a2bd52f61#edition=7229065&idiq=44475276

We cant even get the Sabbath right little own predict a rapture date....mammon has really messed with things.

- God made the seventh day sacred and holy not man trying to figure out which one is the sabbath day.

- Jesus said "no man knows the day or hour."
- Jesus given us signs in matthew 24. just like a pregnant woman, you can't predict the exact birth but the signs are there to know that it's near.

[ZapThyCat]

The ROMAN catholics changed it to SUNday because they worship Apollo, the god of the sun and Mirthras.

Actually, it was the early church that changed meeting times to Sunday, the first day of the week. There was no longer a mandate to not work on the sabbath, due to the old covenant being fulfilled by Christ. Now we're under the new covenant, the law is no longer written in stone (10 commandments) but on our hearts. We aren't under a requirement to be circumsized, either, for that matter.

It's also of note to mention that the old commandment was about working on the sabbath, not going to church on the sabbath.

[billvau]

Many pastors on YouTube said that the Rapture should happen during the Jewish High Holidays, especially the Feast of Trumpets.

Leviticus 23:23-25 talks about celebrating during the Festival of Trumpets (the Jewish are encouraged to celebrate). Notice "23" as in our current year, 20-23.

The Feast (or Festival) of Trumpets will end on September 17, 2023 at nightfall which is at 7:07 PM in Jerusalem. Keep in mind, the number "7" is one of God's favorite numbers.

1 Thess. 4:16 "For the LORD himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God..."

Friday, September 15th at sundown is the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets, at the same time a new moon will appear.

Well, we will see what happens in September. God bless you all.

I'm writing you at 1:23pm. I'll wait another 60 seconds for the Lord to return.

Do you see any problem with your interpretation?

[Dirtlaw]

None of us know the time, but we all know it's approach is certain. God's word is always true.

[Garand Hunter]

Mr 2761377, google is not the source needed, Chuck Missler who you likely have never heard of gives the quote from the Vulgate and it is as I wrote to you. It IS in the latin Vulgate. Talking down to you......you need it if it seems to be that way. You are clueless on the subject of the Rapture.

Psalm 1

[MrFancyPants]

Stop speculating on when the end times will be! It's foolish! It could happen in our lifetime or it could not. Nobody knows, and nobody WILL know, no matter how deeply they read into scripture. God made it VERY CLEAR that only HE knows when it will be.

Acts 1:6 & 7,

They therefore who had come together began to ask him, saying, "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore the kingdom of Israel?"

But he said to them, "It is not for you to know the time or dates which the Father has fixed by his own authority."

This! Read it again OP.

[Wordupmybrotha]

^^^This

[Dirtlaw]

Stop speculating on when the end times will be! It's foolish! It could happen in our lifetime or it could not. Nobody knows, and nobody WILL know, no matter how deeply they read into scripture. God made it VERY CLEAR that only HE knows when it will be. This! Read it again OP.

Slightly disagree for the following reason. Knowing that it could be tomorrow is a bit of encouragement to keep on the path. I don't know about others but I can use all the "encouragement" I can get. I face temptation every day and the money doesn't help -- it makes matters far more difficult than they would be otherwise.

[Barang]

Slightly disagree for the following reason. Knowing that it could be tomorrow is a bit of encouragement to keep on the path. I don't know about others but I can use all the "encouragement" I can get. I face temptation every day and the money doesn't help -- it makes matters far more difficult than they would be otherwise.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 nkjv
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [a]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.