Dunk, Pour or Sprinkle?

[billvau]

Read, young Anabaptist spudling!

https://www.lcms.org/about/beliefs/faqs/doctrine#baptism

lcms.org/Document.fdoc?src=lcm&id=1086

https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-LCMS-View-of-Baptism-The-True-P3Z3PN4C8BRS

https://www.wls.wels.net/review-infant-baptism/

Those'll get you started. BTW, in the LCMS at least, the Pastor's ordination vows state, that the Lutheran Confessions are not "A right exposition of the faith," as if there are several possible "right" expositions. The Ordinand confesses, that the Lutheran Confessions are "THE right exposition of the Christian faith." For reference.



So unlike you 16th Century Anabaptists-come-lately, Lutherans practice the Apostolic faith of the 1st century, which INCLUDES... infant Baptism.




The lesson does not end here. Check back, when you're read up on it.

Sorry, letting others explain doctrine for you doesn't cut it. If you don't know it and can't explain it - from the Bible, properly exegeted - it doesn't count.

The Bible is VERY clear on the doctrine of baptism - in all of its forms (do you know what those are?). And, what you've written doesn't agree with Scripture. Just pointing that out. As Christians, we're Sola Scriptura. NOT Sola denomination doctrine, not sola creeds, not sola catechisms, not sola reformed writers, etc. Just Sola Scripture.

And, as Paul wrote Timothy, we're expected to "ὀρθοτομοῦντα τὸν λόγον τῆς ἀληθείας." (expecting you have a Greek font for your Bible studies).

[The War Wagon]

[billvau]

Sorry, but your personal attacks - name calling and the video - only show the sinfulness of your own heart, and say nothing about those who believe the Bible as I do.

Second, you have not responded with your own Biblical basis for your beliefs and, hence, are not able to rightly divide the word of truth (2 Tim. 2:15).

I took a look at the first of your links and it is one of the worst cases of mishandling, misinterpreting, misusing and abusing of the Bible that I've, honestly, have ever seen. Anyone of knows those verse references could honestly feel some of the righteous anger that God feels when He sees such false teachers leading people astray.

I'm expecting a personal attack in return now. Instead, I pray that you're eyes will be opened through the knowledge and wisdom of Christ, to seeing His truth and reject this false teaching.

In Christ,

[eta34]

[billvau]

"Read, young Anabaptist spudling!" What's that? And the video? And, all of this instead of answering biblically.

Did you look at his posts and see him pushing a theology that he can't explain or defend? Pointing to websites that he expects me to go to and spend the time to refute when he hasn't read them enough to even see that what they wrote is garbage? Not arrogance on my part to push back on that. Arrogant on his part to push a position he has no clue about, right? Then, when I push back for a reasoned, biblical basis (he says he's a Christian, so I can assume that), I get name-calling and videos, but no answers. That's arrogance and condescension.

Ever read the gospels and see how Christ answered the Jewish leaders when they pushed their garbage religion on Him? Ever read John's epistles and see how we're commanded to treat those who teach falsely? Ever study how Paul confronted Peter in Galatians 2 for an error that people would call Paul on the carpet for today for being too hard on Peter? Ever refuse food at a meal at a friend's house because another friend, a young Christian, there is stumbled by the fact that his/her previous religion did weird things and he/she couldn't eat it with a clear conscience?

As a pastor, do you think another Christian has ever come up to me in Church and said any of the things that "supposed" Christians say to me all the time here? Heavens no. And the things I preach in church are far stronger than the simple theology we "discuss" here. I can't get many "Christians" to give a biblical basis for anything they write here, yet in a Christian church, that's the only basis we use for discussion. It's the only basis God allows.

Please consider what I wrote and come back to the thread to discuss the topic-at-hand, with your biblical understanding, OK?

God bless,

[RAMCLAP]

Honestly Bill, if I were an Elder in your church you would have been fired a long time ago. It blows my mind that a man who's job it is to teach others about Grace has none of it. A shame.

[billvau]

Honestly Bill, if I were an Elder in your church you would have been fired a long time ago. It blows my mind that a man who's job it is to teach others about Grace has none of it. A shame.

Sorry that you feel that way. Grace, mercy, compassion, kindness, etc. all have a place, but so does refuting error, admonishing, etc. God doesn't do them all at the same time, but as appropriate, as I pointed out above. Those who come to a forum that gets thousands of reads and claim Christianity, yet teach other than the Bible and the person of Christ, need to be refuted and admonished. They are not innocent.

By the way, I'd never qualify as an elder in your church, because I don't base my theology on church history, creeds, and catechisms. I only know Scripture because of Hebrews 4:12 and boast only in Christ crucified (Gal. 6:14).

Per 1 Peter 3:13 and its context, you have my blessings.

[eta34]

[billvau]

No, that's the reality of his church. He's an elder there and from his many, many posts, he has shown that is how they answer spiritual issues. Completely different church than I serve at. That is also why is comment about me being fired has zero value to me - I would never be hired there, so couldn't be fired.

So, you've come back to attack. So why not answer the questions I asked above - biblically? Or do you just want to continue to attack? Hmmmm...

[eta34]

I am choosing not to engage in any further discussion with you, Bill. I see no benefit in it.

[RAMCLAP]

Sorry that you feel that way. Grace, mercy, compassion, kindness, etc. all have a place, but so does refuting error, admonishing, etc. God doesn't do them all at the same time, but as appropriate, as I pointed out above. Those who come to a forum that gets thousands of reads and claim Christianity, yet teach other than the Bible and the person of Christ, need to be refuted and admonished. They are not innocent.

By the way, I'd never qualify as an elder in your church, because I don't base my theology on church history, creeds, and catechisms. I only know Scripture because of Hebrews 4:12 and boast only in Christ crucified (Gal. 6:14).

Per 1 Peter 3:13 and its context, you have my blessings.

Yes Bill. You've made it quite clear that you know more than Martin Luther and the Reformers. That fact that you would have never heard the Term "Sola Scriptura" without them escapes you completely. Your theology is your own. It is strictly based on your own interpretation because you refuse to accept the thoughts of the great teachers of the faith. For that reason you are in no postion to refute or admonish anyone. I appeal to you to repent and ask those you attack for forgiveness.

[billvau]

Yes Bill. You've made it quite clear that you know more than Martin Luther and the Reformers. That fact that you would have never heard the Term "Sola Scriptura" without them escapes you completely. Your theology is your own. It is strictly based on your own interpretation because you refuse to accept the thoughts of the great teachers of the faith. For that reason you are in no postion to refute or admonish anyone. I appeal to you to repent and ask those you attack for forgiveness.

[libertyordeath]

As a follower of Christ Ive been reading your comments now I'm no bible teacher but iam more in tune with God now than I have ever been he has shown me visions that are coming to pass.

You guys make have different points of view and what I was believe is if your going to make points let them come from the Bible it self anything else could be misinformation from the writer but we know that the Bible is true.

I respect All of you and I know some may say that bill may come off to harsh but I know with all of my Heart he is doing it out of love for you guys and for God,

Let us seek the answers through Gods word and no other, I respect Bill because he always comes with the Scripture which we are taught to do.

I don't know just felt I should write this and let's us try and edify in Love and advance the Kingdom of are LORD AND SAVIOR, AMEN.

[billvau]

As a follower of Christ Ive been reading your comments now I'm no bible teacher but iam more in tune with God now than I have ever been he has shown me visions that are coming to pass.

You guys make have different points of view and what I was believe is if your going to make points let them come from the Bible it self anything else could be misinformation from the writer but we know that the Bible is true.

I respect All of you and I know some may say that bill may come off to harsh but I know with all of my Heart he is doing it out of love for you guys and for God,

Let us seek the answers through Gods word and no other, I respect Bill because he always comes with the Scripture which we are taught to do.

I don't know just felt I should write this and let's us try and edify in Love and advance the Kingdom of are LORD AND SAVIOR, AMEN.

Thanks, Libertyordeath. May the Lord bless you not only for your kind words, but for you commitment to His Word.

Have a blessed day,
Bill