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It's God you have to worry about, Jesus is the mediator.
1 Timothy 1:5
Matthew 7:21-23 is cause Jesus doesn't really care?
Last edited by Red-Osier; 06-02-2018, 12:04 PM.sigpicComment
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Well...then you just called Jesus a liar for what He said in Matthew 7:21-23.
To you and to everyone else disagreeing with what I've written, I challenge to you to go to God's Word and take Him at His Word - in context, properly interpreted. Our opinions are nice, but His requirements are necessary to get into heaven.
Have a blessed day!Pastor Bill
"Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason- I do not accept the authority of popes and councils [i.e. any man]- my conscience is captive to the Word of God." Martin LutherComment
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If one is a Christian, one knows that Jesus IS God. So is the Holy Spirit and the Father. The Paraclete. The Trinity. Jesus was fully God and Fully Man. Jesus never contradicts the Father. So His command to ultimately Love, is a command. He is the WORD made Flesh. He is scripture in the flesh that’s why He taught with authority
Everyone always gets on Catholics, because many of them mistakenly think you have to earn heaven, it you know what, if I’m bleeding on the street, it’s the one who helps me, the one even though he is wrong on his theology or whatever, the Samaritan who will be favored, not the faithful man of the cloth who wants to keep his hands clean...
Now it’s Solo Patris? god the Father only?
The Reason God sent Jesus, is because He IS God..A part of himself.
In th beginning there was God, and the Word, and the Word was with and the Word was God.....and Christ the Messiah is the Word made flesh.
TO SAY JESUS doesn’t really care is taken WAY out of context...
Jesus is preaching about TRUE VS FALSE professions, actions etc...stated clearly in most modern versions of the Bible:
KJV
Mathew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:21-23 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [a]miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
IN your name is to use God’s name in vain here...
He who does the WILL of my Father ,
JESUS and the Father have the same will (they do Not conflict)
To do something unwillingly, or because you want something (enter heaven) versus to do WILLINGLY ARE two different things. It’s not the work, but your will to obey Gods commandments and doing it with your whole heart.
If you truly have Faith, then you obey God’s commandments, and one of them is repent...
To REPENT isn’t a one and done deal, it’s an ongoing process TO align OUR WILL to Be in line with God’s WILL...do is an action verb.Last edited by Burble74; 06-02-2018, 12:34 PM.Comment
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I'm not Catholic.sigpicComment
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Born agains the ex-smokers of the Christian world.LetsGoBrandon
FJB
"From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." -Khan
"There is no reason to be alive if you can't do deadlift."-J.P.S.Comment
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Not an excuse to take the Bible our of context.
I’m merely stating that in the passage Jesus is showing the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN:
GENUINE WILLFUL OBEDIENCE
Well we know when we are being obedient to God or not...self explanatory
(Christ also followed the law by honoring His parents, since it was at His Mother’s behest that He performed His first Miracle at the Wedding at Cana etc, since He also came not to Abolish the Law but to fulfill it)
AND
FALSE ACTIONS DONE in the name of God
(false prophets who do magic, sorcery, satanic or otherwise or even the mundane good works in God’s name for reasons other than that God wills it SINCE ONLY GOD knows what goes on in the heart of men and can distinguish between genuine and false actions and recognize when someone has willfully rejected God’s will in favor of selfish or otherwise wicked motives in the guise of good or wonderful works supposedly in his name. You can’t fool God by appearing to be good in word and deed if you’re secretly disobeying the Father.
From the sermon on the mount. It’s not contradicting what Christ commands because Christ won’t contradict himself in His teachings.Last edited by Burble74; 06-02-2018, 11:12 AM.Comment
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"Verily, verily, I say unto you: Unless you've been dunked, no baptism for you."
Wait. Nope. He never said that.
Love God. Love your neighbor. Give to the poor. Help those in need. Self sacrifice for the sake of others. Never let rules interfere with any of the above. Yep. Lots of stuff about that. Lots. Seems that he couldn't stop talking about it. Baptism? Yea, he did that once. His semi-feral & homeless cousin talked him into it one day. But that was about it.Comment
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Wrong.
There are precisely two influences in the world. Jesus. And His, 'loyal opposition.' How LONG do you want to leave your child in the clutches of the latter?
Moreover, baptism is a GIFT. Be ye 8 seconds, or 108 years old, you do NOTHING to "earn" it; all you CAN "do," is say, "THANK you," in acknowledgement of Christ free & unmerited grace in the gift of His sacrament.
Remember the 3rd article of the Creed, as we teach it from the Small Catechism;
The Third Article.Of Sanctification.I believe in the Holy Ghost; one holy Christian Church, the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting. Amen.What does this mean?--Answer.
I believe that I cannot - by my own reason or strength - believe in Jesus Christ, my Lord, or come to Him; but... the Holy Ghost has called me by the Gospel, enlightened me with His gifts, sanctified and kept me in the true faith; even as He calls, gathers, enlightens, and sanctifies the whole Christian Church on earth, and keeps it with Jesus Christ in the one true faith; in which Christian Church He forgives daily and richly all sins to me and all believers, and at the last day will raise up me and all the dead, and will give to me and to all believers in Christ everlasting life. This is most certainly true.
One CANNOT, 'make a decision for Jesus.' Because by the time you can even THINK the words... the Holy Spirit done got to you FIRST. 
/Here endeth the lesson...sigpicComment
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AmenWrong.
There are precisely two influences in the world. Jesus. And His, 'loyal opposition.' How LONG do you want to leave your child in the clutches of the latter?
Moreover, baptism is a GIFT. Be ye 8 seconds, or 108 years old, you do NOTHING to "earn" it; all you CAN "do," is say, "THANK you," in acknowledgement of Christ free & unmerited grace in the gift of His sacrament.
Remember the 3rd article of the Creed, as we teach it from the Small Catechism;
One CANNOT, 'make a decision for Jesus.' Because by the time you can even THINK the words... the Holy Spirit done got to you FIRST.
/Here endeth the lesson...Psalm 103
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After 16yrs, tomorrow I will finally be baptized going to the beach With the church.Comment
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Do you really believe baptism of an infant has ANY efficacy? What's your biblical basis (real theology, not proof-text a verse from Acts that doesn't mention children...)Wrong.
There are precisely two influences in the world. Jesus. And His, 'loyal opposition.' How LONG do you want to leave your child in the clutches of the latter?
Moreover, baptism is a GIFT. Be ye 8 seconds, or 108 years old, you do NOTHING to "earn" it; all you CAN "do," is say, "THANK you," in acknowledgement of Christ free & unmerited grace in the gift of His sacrament.
Remember the 3rd article of the Creed, as we teach it from the Small Catechism;
One CANNOT, 'make a decision for Jesus.' Because by the time you can even THINK the words... the Holy Spirit done got to you FIRST.
/Here endeth the lesson...
Baptism a gift? Where's that in the Bible? The Bible teaches that baptism is an act in response to your salvation where you give your testimony to what Christ has already done for you. It's a deed, a work, commanded in Scripture, after salvation.
Where in the Bible do I find "the 3rd article of the Creed?" Remember Sola Scriptura?
Sorry, but you're not representing Christianity here, you're representing the religion of the reformed! Two, almost entirely different things.Pastor Bill
"Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason- I do not accept the authority of popes and councils [i.e. any man]- my conscience is captive to the Word of God." Martin LutherComment
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Read, young Anabaptist spudling!
lcms.org/Document.fdoc?src=lcm&id=1086
Those'll get you started. BTW, in the LCMS at least, the Pastor's ordination vows state, that the Lutheran Confessions are not "A right exposition of the faith," as if there are several possible "right" expositions. The Ordinand confesses, that the Lutheran Confessions are "THE right exposition of the Christian faith." For reference.
So unlike you 16th Century Anabaptists-come-lately, Lutherans practice the Apostolic faith of the 1st century, which INCLUDES... infant Baptism.
The lesson does not end here. Check back, when you're read up on it.
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