A Rabbi dies, what happens.

[Doheny]

On the other hand, if a guy like Paddock repents and accepts Christ just before he shoots himself in the head, he gets into heaven. Correct?

People often use Hitler in this example. The answer is the same that Bill gives.

[randomBytes]

Wow, so you guys all think god is a pathetic, insecure looser who holds a grudge?

The bible was not written by god, but by *men* trying to increase their own influence on the masses, do you seriously think an all powerful god takes any of that seriously?

Personally, I doubt god cares what you call him, or who you think were saints, prophets or whatever. You are either a good person or you are not.

[AragornElessar86]

The Lord works in mysterious ways. As the Matthew 7 passage listed above states, some who claim the name of Christ will be denied salvation, while some whose lives have reflected God's holiness without ever knowing him explicitly will be numbered among the saints.

The love and mercy of God surpasses all our understanding. Only He knows the heart of man, and can judge perfectly.

[RAMCLAP]

I struggle with this very question.

The Christ I know and have studied, was so full of love and forgiveness that I have a hard time believing He would let the righteous and good burn in hellfire for eternity, regardless of the religious affiliation. I feel organized religion is a construct of man and has nothing to do with Christ.

The only righteous there are are those that love Christ. And even at that their righteousness is imputed to them from Him. Christ is the only way to Heaven. No good deeds will get you there.

[billvau]

Do you believe there is more than one god? Then you are a Pagan.

Jews, Christians, and Islam ALL derive from the Old Testament. It is the FOUNDATION for ALL monotheistic religions. They are all Abrahamic. They ALL believe in the SAME GOD.

If you wish to continue debate I'm happy to discuss in PM.

No, not more than one "God" but "god" is used in the Bible to speak of Satan and idols in a worship sense. Satan is currently the "god of this world" meaning God is letting him "rule" the fallenness of this world under Him.

Do you know the Bible?

Edit: Ugh. My bad. I said "unused" instead of "used." Corrected.

[DolphinFan]

No, not more than one "God" but "god" is unused in the Bible to speak of Satan and idols in a worship sense. Satan is currently the "god of this world" meaning God is letting him "rule" the fallenness of this world under Him.

Do you know the Bible?

The Bible doesn't speak of it because Satan is NOT a God, and Satan does NOT Rule his world, GOD rules EVERYTHING.

The bible actually sees Satan as a fallen angel.

"figure appearing in the texts of the Abrahamic religions[2][3] who brings evil and temptation, and is known as the deceiver who leads humanity astray. Some religious groups teach that he originated as an angel, or something of the like, who used to possess great piety and beauty, but fell because of hubris, seducing humanity into the ways of falsehood and sin, and has power in the fallen world. In the Hebrew Bible Satan is primarily an (or "the") accuser or adversary. In some later Jewish writings and in the New Testament, Satan is described as a more malevolent entity opposed to God, also called the devil, who possesses abhorrent qualities."

[billvau]

The Bible doesn't speak of it because Satan is NOT a God, and Satan does NOT Rule his world, GOD rules EVERYTHING.

The bible actually sees Satan as a fallen angel.

First, my bad and corrected above. I said "unused" instead of "used." Satan is called many things, including a "god"... Idols are also called "gods." They are not the same as God, Himself.

2 Co4:4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Satan is called "the god of this age" (or world). Notice, little "g." As we learn from the Book of Job, he's on a short leash where he only gets away with what God allows.

[DolphinFan]

First, my bad and corrected above. I said "unused" instead of "used." Satan is called many things, including a "god"... Idols are also called "gods." They are not the same as God, Himself.

2 Co4:4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Satan is called "the god of this age" (or world). Notice, little "g." As we learn from the Book of Job, he's on a short leash where he only gets away with what God allows.

John 4:23 ESV / 137 helpful votes

But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.

Isaiah 44:6-20 ESV / 120 helpful votes

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:

[billvau]

John 4:23 ESV / 137 helpful votes

But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.

Isaiah 44:6-20 ESV / 120 helpful votes

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:

Then, who is "the god of this world" in 2 Cor 4:4?

What about Isaiah 44:10? Is. 45:20?

The verses use "god" for Satan and idols...

Just like we use "god" today when we say, for example, "He has made a god of his car..." IOW, He worships his car.

Words have a set of meanings - a "semantic range" and meaning is determined by context.

Bill

[motokev]

[DTENG]

Wow, there are a lot of big claims being made here, and by who's authority?

Might want to read Isaiah 55:8-9. [8] For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord. [9] For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts.

[damon1272]

Motokev-
Nice try but why don't you give the full context
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

This is speaking of hypocrisy. We all make judgements. We are not to be yoked with unbelievers.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

How do we not become unequally yoked. We have to make judgements based off of what we know. So cherry picking certain versus without the context is twisting the text.

Christ calls out who and who will not make it into heaven, we don't have to judge people for this but we don't have to accept them or their practices. We are to love them and minister to them. Judging in this context will be done by God.

Thing is what people get wrong is we are all condemned, all guilty. It is those that are saved through Christ that will escape their just punishment.

As to the OP the Jews denied Christ. Christ was all throughout the OT. Christ was in Genesis, Exodus, the need for salvation was in the law, even Isaiah 53 speaks of Christ. Maybe not in name but as a savior He is there.

[hermosabeach]

The same god that gives kids cancer will send the rabbi to hell.. that is God’s will

[SelfGovernor]

I read the Bible once cover to cover and realized it says many things that are contrary to commonly held beliefs, even pastors/priests continue to teach things that are incorrect...

There are many online Bibles that allow one to search for words or phrases so no excuses...

The same god that gives kids cancer ...

No, actually the devil has usurped power and authority over the earth and is responsible for the evils therein...

Luke 4:5-7 NKJ. Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, "All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 "Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours." 8 And Jesus answered and said to him, "Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' "

Clearly the devil claims authority over the world and Jesus did not dispute his claim.

No, it's Not Gods will that any should go to hell...

2 Peter 3:9 NKJ. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is long-suffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

[billvau]

I read the Bible once cover to cover and realized it says many things that are contrary to commonly held beliefs, even pastors/priests continue to teach things that are incorrect...

There are many online Bibles that allow one to search for words or phrases so no excuses...

No, actually the devil has usurped power and authority over the earth and is responsible for the evils therein...

Clearly the devil claims authority over the world and Jesus did not dispute his claim.

No, it's Not

Believe it not.

Yes, there are many online Bibles, but they don't interpret Scripture properly, just give their translation of it. You need a proper interpretation (1 Cor. 2, especially v. 10-13; Eph. 4:11-16).

Satan is not responsible, each person is (Rom. 5:12). He's only "responsible" for his own sin (Is 14).

Satan is granted power over the unsaved world, but fully under God's control (e.g. Job 1-2). ALL things are under Christ's ultimate control - even now (Eph. 1:19-23).

2 Tim. 2:4 God "desires all men to be saved."

Christ has direct control RIGHT NOW, but God's will is that He carrying out history this way. He'll be back when He wills it (1 Thes. 4:13-18).

Pastor Bill