Why didn't death enter the world after Satan's rebellion?

[Wordupmybrotha]

[sMp]

I do not have a answer for you but i would like to point something out. Angels (which Satan was) are different beings than humans. Created differently and serve a different purposes. (One of the biggest reasons Lucifer hates humans is that we were created in the likeness of God and angles were not.)

[Wordupmybrotha]

I do not have a answer for you but i would like to point something out. Angels (which Satan was) are different beings than humans. Created differently and serve a different purposes. (One of the biggest reasons Lucifer hates humans is that we were created in the likeness of God and angles were not.)

Yes, true that Angels and humans are different. Could it be that the nature of their sins are different, because of that? I don't know. Just guessing.

[RAMCLAP]

I advise caution against speculation. What he chose to reveal is all that is required for slavation. Speaking on behalf of God as to why He chose to do it His way lies a myriad of trouble.

[Sgt. J Beezy]

If sin separates us from God, why doesn't it separate Lucy?

Rev 12:10 states that the accuser(Lucy) stands before God day and night.

Isiah 59 sin superstars us from God.

How is God in the presence of the original sinner, whom caused the "original" sin on earth, allowed to be in His presence day and night?

[WASR10]

All I can offer is that man's relationship with God is different, or say unique, compared to other created beings' relationship with God.

[Wordupmybrotha]

All I can offer is that man's relationship with God is different, or say unique, compared to other created beings' relationship with God.

Satan's sin had no ramifications on the rest of creation as did Adam and Eve's sin?

[Wordupmybrotha]

I advise caution against speculation. What he chose to reveal is all that is required for slavation. Speaking on behalf of God as to why He chose to do it His way lies a myriad of trouble.

Who's speaking on behalf of God?

[WASR10]

Satan's sin had no ramifications on the rest of creation as did Adam and Eve's sin?

Satan's interaction with Adam and Eve most certainly had lasting ramifications, but it seems it was Adam and Eve who chose to sin and therefore introduced not only sin, but knowledge of good and evil (which is required for sin) to the world of man. The relationship between God and man is unique among all other creation. It is one of covenant and atonement that began with the sin of Adam and Eve. I know I am not answering your question, but neither am I discounting the idea that Satan's actions were sinful. I am just pointing out that man's accountability to God is of a different nature, which makes Adam and Eve's sin significant.

[Sgt. J Beezy]

With God being all knowing, wouldn't He have known the rebellion against Him, and with that knowledge, could he have made something "perfect" at the time, but with the knowledge that His perfect creation would rebel, meaning that sin came from the creator?

Also, how can any being form sin in the presence of God?

As the creator of the universe, his awesomeness is beyond conception and explanation, however, Lucy, had the shortcomings to allow pride and jealousy to enter?

While I don't understand how anything created can form anything other than Awe in the presence of the creator, I can buy into an outlier, but what about the other 33% of angels?

How was 1/3 angels who have been in the presence of the Creator, be on board with Lucy and his madness??

[Wordupmybrotha]

With God being all knowing, wouldn't He have known the rebellion against Him, and with that knowledge, could he have made something "perfect" at the time, but with the knowledge that His perfect creation would rebel, meaning that sin came from the creator?

Humans were given free will. There can be no love without free will. Foreknowledge of man's eventual rebellion doesn't mean that God created sin. The Bible is clear that God is holy. Holy God cannot create unholiness.

Also, how can any being form sin in the presence of God?

Because of free will.

As the creator of the universe, his awesomeness is beyond conception and explanation, however, Lucy, had the shortcomings to allow pride and jealousy to enter?

There's a school of thought that angels had a "probationary" period in the beginning where they chose good or evil. After their decision, the fallen angels retained a sinful nature while the elected angels retained their holiness.

"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality." 1 Timothy 5:21

"And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—" Jude 6

While I don't understand how anything created can form anything other than Awe in the presence of the creator, I can buy into an outlier, but what about the other 33% of angels?

Well, 100% of humans (2/2) committed sin.

How was 1/3 angels who have been in the presence of the Creator, be on board with Lucy and his madness??

Again, free will.

[billvau]

Great questions!
Sin existed before Adam's sin because Satan and a third of the angels fell in sin before Adam. But, Angels aren't people, they are a different being. The Bible speaks of other beings, some in the supernatural realm, some on earth. Angels were created before Adam. Their realm is the supernatural realm. They can exist in our realm, but it is not their natural realm. Like Adam, they were created in what we call a state of "unconfirmed holiness." 2/3 chose holiness and will be forever holy. 1/3 chose to rebel and will forever be fallen (Rev. 12:4). The fallen angels will eternally be in the Lake of Fire (Rev. 20:10). There is eternal death for their sin. No plan of salvation for fallen angels.

Romans 5:12 speaks of sin and death entering the world through Adam. There was no death in the world before the fall. Animals didn't die (Adam was commanded to be a vegetarian). Nothing died. But with the fall, the earth fell ("subjected to futility" Romans 8:19-22) too. And, of course, God will destroy this fallen world and create a new one (2 Peter 3:10-13; plus Rev. 19ff). But, the "world" is man's realm, not angels and men are not of the same "kind" as angels. When you read Genesis 1, you clearly see that man is the pinnacle of God's creation (Gen. 1:25-30). Everything was created for him and he was to be God's appointed ruler of the earth (Gen. 1:26).

Sorry for the lack of organization. This got my coffee break time.

Other great associated questions:

1. Satan tempted Eve, and the Genesis 3 account seems to imply that she sinned first. So, why does Adam get credit for the first sin (Romans 5:12)?
2. Romans 5:12 says "death spread to all men - because all sinned." How did you and I sin AT THE SAME EXACT TIME that Adam sinned?

God bless,
Bill

[Sgt. J Beezy]

Parable:

The greatest coder that ever graced Gods green Earth, let's call them Pat, finally accomplished that which all others in the tech world before him tried to achieve, creating AI.

He noticed though, in the coding, that the AI would eventually come to the mind that humans are causing more damage than good to the Earth, and decide to exterminate the problem.

Pat thought hard and long about the moral and ethical implications of changing the code so the AI would not come to these decisions. Is it ethical to change somethings DNA or code to effect it in such a way that if not changed, the AI could come to its fullest potential reaching, maximum consciousness at the cost of humanity?

Is it unethical to not change the code?

If Pat decides to not change the code, and they release the AI into the world, and the AI comes to a quick realization that humans are no good, and destroys most of humanity, whose fault is it?

Is it the completely conscious AI's fault?

Does pat bear any responsibility as not only the creator but also the one whom not created that which destroyed humanity, but did so knowingly beforehand whilst having the power to stop it at any time before or during the destruction?

Is it merciful for Pat to offer humanity a Virus Protector that would protect you from the eternal ramifications, yet go through the pain and torment the same as those without the protector?

And along the lines of free will...

If you could choose anything about your life, what do you believe is the most important decision you can make about your life, that had the power to change any and everything about you? Aside from giving your life to Christ and realizing what true peace and joy are, of course.

[anonymous308]

Satan's interaction with Adam and Eve most certainly had lasting ramifications, but it seems it was Adam and Eve who chose to sin and therefore introduced not only sin, but knowledge of good and evil (which is required for sin) to the world of man. The relationship between God and man is unique among all other creation. It is one of covenant and atonement that began with the sin of Adam and Eve. I know I am not answering your question, but neither am I discounting the idea that Satan's actions were sinful. I am just pointing out that man's accountability to God is of a different nature, which makes Adam and Eve's sin significant.

I think this pretty much sums up my thoughts.

There was no "Fall of Man" until Adam and Eve's willful act of disobedience. This is what introduced sin to the human race and into our world.

I think it is important to distinguish sin and evil as well.

[sMp]

I advise caution against speculation. What he chose to reveal is all that is required for slavation. Speaking on behalf of God as to why He chose to do it His way lies a myriad of trouble.

Op!!! This^^^
Don't waste your time tring to understand God or His workings... you will never know. Only He is in the know concerning the big plan.

May I suggest daily meditation. I can tell you that meditation has taught me more in the past year than 10 years of going to church.