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  • Burble74
    Member
    • Jun 2015
    • 101

    I don't believe there is a way yet, to show scientifically the existence of God due to one thing:

    What we know in terms of science is still very limited.

    Scientists need a lot so of proof under controlled instances in order to break out of just one line of thought. There needs to be many results to change the way one proven result is approached.

    Up until the 1% result appears, a certain result may have had 100% expectation of a certain outcome.

    There are still elements that scientists are discovering and not yet adding to the table until the general scientific community can agree on something.

    Up until recently it was expected that no soft tissue would ever be found on a dinosaur. That was until they broke open the femur of a t.rex and found some soft tissue and blood cells....of course this wasn't made public until 3-5years are the fact.

    Science is our understanding of the universe and our understanding as advanced as it is, is still very little in terms of the vastness of the universe.

    That's why Faith is important.

    Sure there is evidence of Gods existence, but nothing one can define as proof, thus we have to to use reason for the existence of God.

    People's subjective experiences of a life after death, are still considered by others to be dreams, or are rejected as hoaxes, even when scientifically clinically proven that the persons body was dead for x amount of time.

    I believe most people try to be honest unless hindered by some type of neuroses.

    Those who have experienced death maybe 2/3 times have claimed to meet Jesus Christ himself, even non Christians, and in one case that I read about the guy was an Militant member of Isis who is now a converted Christian!

    It is really a matter of seeing these things which define the existence of God to say He exists, to believe. To have Faith.

    There are now ways to quantify what is considered to be paranormal activities in terms of Electrical energy....apparently there's another mechanism created from a transistor radio called a Frank Box which acts like. Telephone to another dimension ( ask any scientific personel who worked on the Philadelphia experiment or project looking glass)...this is achieved by removing the component of a radio that keeps it locked on one frequency, thus having the radio cycle through all bands at a very fast rate...there's even a documentary about these old folks who discovered their radio to be able to do this, it's weird I know, but they are using scientifically made tools to access people in the afterlife....

    No matter what science or gadgets can do or say, no matter what spiritualists tell you they can be fooled by the evil one ... That is why Faith is still the only thing upon which a Christian can rely....

    "Because you have seen me, you believed...Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe" john 20:29

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    • Gryff
      CGSSA Coordinator
      • May 2006
      • 12686

      Logic fail at point #5.

      The universe had to come from something and this something has got to be eternal and powerful.
      You assume that there was nothing before the current form of the universe. The current universe could be divine creation, or perhaps it is part of a creation cycle similar to a moth's lifecycle (does that make us the caterpillar, chrysalis, or moth?). You, as a living human, can trace your creation back through birth, development, conception, through the reproduction cycles of your predecessors. But you can only do that through external observation. You cannot take a random point in that cycle and inherently derive an understanding of that process. This is similar as with the universe. Not enough data to attain an accurate understanding of what came before, and what comes next.

      You have no way to prove or disprove that assumption, so your logical argument for the existence of god collapses.
      My friends and family disavow all knowledge of my existence, let alone my opinions.

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      • Just Dave
        Banned
        • Jul 2011
        • 7259

        Originally posted by vliberatore
        You seem to have missed my post about the law of conservation of energy.

        You're rehashing the same points that myself and others keep refuting. You're either not understanding the posts or blatantly ignoring them. In either regard, we're done here.
        I didn't miss or ignore them.

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        • Just Dave
          Banned
          • Jul 2011
          • 7259

          Originally posted by Gryff
          Logic fail at point #5.



          You assume that there was nothing before the current form of the universe. The current universe could be divine creation, or perhaps it is part of a creation cycle similar to a moth's lifecycle (does that make us the caterpillar, chrysalis, or moth?). You, as a living human, can trace your creation back through birth, development, conception, through the reproduction cycles of your predecessors. But you can only do that through external observation. You cannot take a random point in that cycle and inherently derive an understanding of that process. This is similar as with the universe. Not enough data to attain an accurate understanding of what came before, and what comes next.

          You have no way to prove or disprove that assumption, so your logical argument for the existence of god collapses.
          Actually something must have always existed.

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          • Cnynrat
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 2221

            Originally posted by Just Dave
            Actually something must have always existed.
            Oh, now I see. Why didn't you make that point earlier in the discussion? Now that you've said that it's obvious. The logic is absolutely airtight!
            Dave

            Lifetime Member, Second Amendment Foundation

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            • Just Dave
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 7259

              Originally posted by Cnynrat
              Oh, now I see. Why didn't you make that point earlier in the discussion? Now that you've said that it's obvious. The logic is absolutely airtight!
              I guess I overlooked it

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              • Not a Cook
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 1684

                Originally posted by Just Dave
                As far as proving or coercing someone into believing with this argument is irrelevant, you can lead a horse to water...
                Ain't that the truth... especially when the horse doesn't want anything to do with water!
                Regarding the 2nd Amendment:
                "...to disarm the people ― that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason ("The Father of the Bill of Rights")

                Regarding Life and Death:
                "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28

                The BIG question: "What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ?" Matthew 27:22b

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                • brewdickle
                  Member
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 207

                  Sounds like another God of the Gaps argument. Since science can't explain it (yet), it must've been God that dunnit!

                  Award this man his Nobel Prize.

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                  • Just Dave
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 7259

                    Originally posted by brewdickle
                    Sounds like another God of the Gaps argument. Since science can't explain it (yet), it must've been God that dunnit!

                    Award this man his Nobel Prize.
                    Dark Matter, Google it

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                    • BillyGoatCrawler
                      Veteran Member
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 2583

                      The round robin effect. This is hilarious.
                      Kunar Prov, A'stan '08-'09, 1-26 INF

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                      • Just Dave
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 7259

                        Originally posted by Standish
                        The round robin effect. This is hilarious.
                        Only if a person denies the existence of something eternal (that's why I noted the logic fail in my op).

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                        • BillyGoatCrawler
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 2583

                          Originally posted by Just Dave
                          Only if a person denies the existence of something eternal (that's why I noted the logic fail in my op).
                          Can't even make it one post without repeating the circular cycle. This thread is going no where.
                          Kunar Prov, A'stan '08-'09, 1-26 INF

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                          • Just Dave
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 7259

                            Originally posted by Standish
                            Can't even make it one post without repeating the circular cycle. This thread is going no where.
                            Something exist
                            Nothing cannot produce something
                            Therefore something must have always existed.
                            The universe did not always exist.
                            Therefore the universe had to come from something that always existed...

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                            • CaliforniaLiberal
                              #1 Bull Goose Loony
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 4690

                              Originally posted by Just Dave
                              Something exist
                              Nothing cannot produce something
                              Therefore something must have always existed.
                              The universe did not always exist.
                              Therefore the universe had to come from something that always existed...
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                              • Doheny
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 13820

                                This thread was doomed from the start. All that I need for my argument of God's existence is faith.
                                Sent from Free America

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