We need non-erotic praise music!

[Untamed1972]

Because God says it Himself! That who.

Then you fail to understand what the scriptures say about the church.

I have appealed to the Scriptures multiple times to prove my point. To say that's "just your interpretation" is NOT to engage at the point of God's revelation to us. God really can't be understood by anyone. You sound like Ponitius Pilate......"Truth?? What is true??

Pick up your Bible and read it, then read it again and again and again. Jesus promised. "If you are my disciples, you will know the truth and the truth shall set you free."

What does anything you said have to do with my post that you quoted?

Please refer me to the section of the bible which specifically spells out the proper format for "worship music at Sunday Church Services"?

The fact is modern day "church service rituals/practices" are man-made constructs. And those "rituals/practices" change with time, culture and so on. So arguing over who's man-made rituals are better than others seems wholly ridiculous to me.

If you have a problem with music at your church perhaps you should go take some music and singing lessons, write some songs and get up there show everyone how it's done? (Or is it just easier to b!tch from your internet high horse?)

[Untamed1972]

That's not an arrogant statement, that's the truth.

I've seen the congregation go from singing their hearts out to the Lord to just sitting and listening to someone playing music.
Like I had said in my prior comment, you wouldn't understand.

So then your congregation must no longer be directed by Holy Spirit then aye?

Or maybe your congregation needs to follow the lead being given and get with the program?

[Just Dave]

So then your congregation must no longer be directed by Holy Spirit then aye?

Or maybe your congregation needs to follow the lead being given and get with the program?

Perhaps. I've noticed the crowd getting thinner, my wife and myself are looking someplace a little more closer to our house, hopefully Spirit led
No program btw

[TomMcC]

What does anything you said have to do with my post that you quoted?

Please refer me to the section of the bible which specifically spells out the proper format for "worship music at Sunday Church Services"?

The fact is modern day "church service rituals/practices" are man-made constructs. And those "rituals/practices" change with time, culture and so on. So arguing over who's man-made rituals are better than others seems wholly ridiculous to me.

If you have a problem with music at your church perhaps you should go take some music and singing lessons, write some songs and get up there show everyone how it's done? (Or is it just easier to b!tch from your internet high horse?)

I did but you're not listening. Go to Deut 12, go to Matt 15 and read them. Those are just 2 of the places in scripture that deal with worship. Those 2 scriptures at minimum lay down that God is saying " Stop doing your own thing and do what I tell you to do". It's actually pretty easy to understand. Once the fundamental principle of do only what I have authorized is established, then we look to particulars like Eph 5:19 which tells us to sing the Psalms. No where in either Testament do we have a positive authorization to sing man-made music.

[Untamed1972]

I did but you're not listening. Go to Deut 12, go to Matt 15 and read them. Those are just 2 of the places in scripture that deal with worship. Those 2 scriptures at minimum lay down that God is saying " Stop doing your own thing and do what I tell you to do". It's actually pretty easy to understand. Once the fundamental principle of do only what I have authorized is established, then we look to particulars like Eph 5:19 which tells us to sing the Psalms. No where in either Testament do we have a positive authorization to sing man-made music.

It also doesn't tell you to "go to church on Sunday" at a specific building on a specific day either.

It just says "don't forsake the gathering of yourselves together".

Didn't Jesus command at the last supper to continuing doing communion ceremonies in his remembrance? Yet non-Catholic Christian Churches don't do that. Why not? That command was pretty clear I think.

[Just Dave]

It also doesn't tell you to "go to church on Sunday" at a specific building on a specific day either.

It just says "don't forsake the gathering of yourselves together".

Didn't Jesus command at the last supper to continuing doing communion ceremonies in his remembrance? Yet non-Catholic Christian Churches don't do that. Why not? That command was pretty clear I think.

The apostles gathered on the first day of the week, so Sunday has been the tradition for 2000 years. (Acts 20:7)
There are also Saturday services and midweek services as well as home groups that meet at various times of the week.

We take communion once a month.

[RAMCLAP]

It also doesn't tell you to "go to church on Sunday" at a specific building on a specific day either.

It just says "don't forsake the gathering of yourselves together".

Didn't Jesus command at the last supper to continuing doing communion ceremonies in his remembrance? Yet non-Catholic Christian Churches don't do that. Why not? That command was pretty clear I think.

What non-Catholic Churches don't have communion? I know of none.

[TomMcC]

It also doesn't tell you to "go to church on Sunday" at a specific building on a specific day either.

It just says "don't forsake the gathering of yourselves together".

Didn't Jesus command at the last supper to continuing doing communion ceremonies in his remembrance? Yet non-Catholic Christian Churches don't do that. Why not? That command was pretty clear I think.

A positive authorization can take the form of a direct command from God, an approved apostolic example or from good and necessary consequences (deduction from Scriptures).

All protestant and evangelical churches with even a tiny bit of faithfulness practice "The Lord's Supper" or communion. The only exception might be the Salvation Army.

If you want to read about a specific example of the principle I have been writing about and how seriously God takes it, please read Lev 10:1,2. God has not changed His mind on the subject.

[RAMCLAP]

There is also the Binding Clause. Jesus told the Apostle's that whatever they bound on earth would also be bound in Heaven. So, if the Apostle's founded a church and met on Sunday then that is also bound in Heaven whether it is written down that Jesus said it or not.

[TomMcC]

There is also the Binding Clause. Jesus told the Apostle's that whatever they bound on earth would also be bound in Heaven. So, if the Apostle's founded a church and met on Sunday then that is also bound in Heaven whether it is written down that Jesus said it or not.

I would agree as long as what is bound or loosed is agreeable to the Scriptures overall. I'm not sure what you mean by whether Jesus said it or not? I will say though that man is not to live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

[funk_drum]

That's why I put "world view" in quotes. I meant "life within your church". As I stated....unless you're singing an actual Psalm from the pages of the bible, you're singing or listening to "man made" music. It is the interpretation and expression of a man, it is not divinely inspired scripture. So the stuff you're whining about is the "man made" part of modern Christianity.....not anything biblical.

God can use anything and everything to reach someone's heart. Just because the music doesn't seem to "reaching" or "inspiring" you, doesn't mean that isn't doing that for someone else. If need be he can even "make the stones to cry out". Luke 19:40.

I have been inspired by music of all kinds, even just regular music. At some point in time, just a little phrase or verse from a song stuck in my mind at a time when it touched on something I was dealing with at the time.

So don't put yourself in the position to trying to dictate to others how God should reach them or inspire them because you don't know where that person truly is and where their heart is like God does......He knows what He's doing!

ETA: The fact that the whole basis of this thread is a negative one for the purpose of tearing down someone else, tearing down their choices of expression and worship tells me this is all based on ego. Someone's perceived personal superiority, it's pure self-righteousness is all it is. The daily/weekly "rituals" of the church you attend are ALL man-made, and yet you try to elevate them to something they are not. How is Church A's choice of "ritual" any more valid than Church B's?

This is exactly the point I was trying to make. Nice work!

[funk_drum]

I disagree with your characterization of my comments, as that's not what I said.

I believe growing in faith is a process. And where one is today in their understanding and growth is hopefully not where they were yesterday, or where they will be tomorrow.

What reaches and inspires you today may be different than what it was in the past or may be in the future. But that is all part of the process, and what I constantly try to caution against is trying to improperly intervene in someone else's "process" and substitute your own. I on the other hand choose to trust that God is fully capable of leading someone along the personal path he has chosen for them.

You're essentially "arguing" about a completely man-made aspect of your particular church's man-made rituals for conducting church services, and then saying my opinion or preference of man-made ritual is better or more pleasing to God than someone else's.

Also what I was trying to say. Dang!

[RAMCLAP]

I would agree as long as what is bound or loosed is agreeable to the Scriptures overall. I'm not sure what you mean by whether Jesus said it or not? I will say though that man is not to live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

What I should have said was ,whether it was recorded in scripture or not.

[TomMcC]

What I should have said was ,whether it was recorded in scripture or not.

Are you speaking of something like the tradition of the RCC?

[RAMCLAP]

No. Simply stating that Jesus gave the Binding Clause to the Apostle's. They in turn taught their congregations. They decided Sunday was the day to meet in spite of the fact that Jesus directing them to do that is not recorded in scripture. In fact He may have never mentioned it. But with the aid of the Holy Spirit the Apostle's bound it on earth so it is bound in Heaven. I'm not trying to make any obscure points.