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  • hasserl
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    • Apr 2010
    • 2876

    Should Christians Tithe?

    This subject came up in another recent thread, and I thought it was worthy of it's own thread, so I started this one just to get some discussion going on it.

    I suppose the first thing to do is to get an actual definition of the term, so we're all using it in the same way. Here is one that a Google search popped up:

    From Dictionary.com

    tithe
    [tahyth]

    noun
    1.
    Sometimes, tithes. the tenth part of agricultural produce or personal income set apart as an offering to God or for works of mercy, or the same amount regarded as an obligation or tax for the support of the church, priesthood, or the like.
    2.
    any tax, levy, or the like, especially of one-tenth.
    3.
    a tenth part or any indefinitely small part of anything.
    verb (used with object), tithed, tithing.
    4.
    to give or pay a tithe or tenth of (produce, money, etc.).
    5.
    to give or pay tithes on (crops, income, etc.).
    6.
    to exact a tithe from (a person, community, parish, etc.).
    7.
    to levy a tithe on (crops, income, etc.).
    verb (used without object), tithed, tithing.
    8.
    to give or pay a tithe.

    Merriam-Webster takes an even more liberal position and includes: " a tenth part of something paid as a voluntary contribution or as a tax especially for the support of a religious establishment"

    So my own personal interpretation of the word is more conservative. IMO a Tithe is a required payment that members of a Temple are required to make as part of their membership. A form of a tax. In Old Testament Israel, it was more than that, since Israel was a theocracy, just being a Jew meant you were expected to tithe, and so besides the social pressure and the scorn or shunning that would be shown to someone who didn't tithe there were probably also connections to forgiveness of sins tied to tithing. A person had to submit sin offerings at the Temple. This webpage lists all of the different types of sacrifices and offerings that were to be made. Unless a person tithed they were shut out from all of this.



    Christians don't worship at a temple and don't make sacrifices to earn forgiveness of sins. Christians don't live under the Law, they live in Christian liberty and freedom. They do what they do because they want to, because they are forgiven sinners, not because they have to, or because it is required by the Law. Likewise, Christians don't tithe, they give thank offerings. They give freely of the things God has given to them.

    The origin of the word Tithe is old English, for the word Ten, or tenth, as in a percentage. in OT Israel the Israelites were to give a tenth of their harvest or flock or income. Some Christians like this as a target or goal for their own giving, and that is perfectly good, right and salutary. So, some people may still like to use the word Tithe for their giving, but to me that carries with it improper theological baggage. It harkens back to OT Israel and turns something that should be done freely with an open and loving heart into something that must be done to alleviate guilt.

    So that's my perspective on it. What say you?
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    bombadillo
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    • Nov 2007
    • 14810

    Yes.

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    • #3
      funk_drum
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      • Jun 2014
      • 289

      Tithing is more than doing something because you have to. In fact, every pastor I've had said if you feel like you have to you probably shouldn't be doing it. It's also an act of worship and an act of faith. Not to mention, how else will those pastors and churches you attend continue with out money?
      My personal believe is tithe is the minimum. From there a person can do more where needed.

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      • #4
        hasserl
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        • Apr 2010
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        For comparison, here is the definition of Offering from dictionary.com

        offering
        [aw-fer-ing, of-er-]
        Spell Syllables
        Synonyms Examples Word Origin
        noun
        1.
        something offered in worship or devotion, as to a deity; an oblation or sacrifice.
        2.
        a contribution given to or through the church for a particular purpose, as at a religious service.
        3.
        anything offered as a gift.
        4.
        something presented for inspection or sale.
        5.
        a sale:
        our spring offering of furniture.
        6.
        the act of one who offers.

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        • #5
          funk_drum
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          • Jun 2014
          • 289

          Typically these words are used interchangeably. Tithe and offering. Your dictionary descriptions are accurate. Are you saying you're ok making an offering and not tithing? To me, in this respect, they are the same. Again, if you have a heart for it, do it. If not, then don't. Unless you're Mormon no one is keeping score on the ground.

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          • #6
            Doheny
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            • Sep 2008
            • 13820

            Originally posted by funk_drum
            Typically these words are used interchangeably. Tithe and offering. Your dictionary descriptions are accurate. Are you saying you're ok making an offering and not tithing? To me, in this respect, they are the same. Again, if you have a heart for it, do it. If not, then don't. Unless you're Mormon no one is keeping score on the ground.
            /\ I agree.

            Don't get hang-up on semantics. As said in the other thread, we're to give our first and best to the Lord. And yes, it's supposed to be 10%, which is what tithe means.

            Re: the other the thread, to say that a pastor who uses the word tithe or encourages tithing somehow doesn't know what he's talking or that it should raise a red flag, is silly.

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            • #7
              RAMCLAP
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              • Nov 2012
              • 2921

              2 Corinthians 9:7
              Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

              As a Christian I am free to give more than 10% if I want to. Yes, the church should be financed. If you are attending you're using the heater, the air conditioner, the lights, the sound, the building. These things aren't free and as a worshiper you should be financing these things. Also, as worship you should be offering/tithing your time as best you can as well. The church doesn't function in a vacuum. People make it work as guided by the Spirit.
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              • #8
                bombadillo
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                • Nov 2007
                • 14810

                Be a cheerful giver. Don't give out of requirements or judgement. Give because you DO use the facilities as described above, give because the Lord calls you to give, and give freely. It is the one thing He said to test Him in.

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                • #9
                  hasserl
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                  • Apr 2010
                  • 2876

                  Originally posted by funk_drum
                  Typically these words are used interchangeably. Tithe and offering.
                  Yes, that appears to be the case.

                  Your dictionary descriptions are accurate. Are you saying you're ok making an offering and not tithing? To me, in this respect, they are the same. Again, if you have a heart for it, do it. If not, then don't. Unless you're Mormon no one is keeping score on the ground.
                  Yes, of course I'm OK making an offering, as I posted above " that is perfectly good, right and salutary". As others have posted, it's also necessary. As an elected officer in my congregation I have to deal with financial aspects all the time, I'm very aware of the needs.

                  The problem I see, and it may be a minor one, is the confusion of the 2 terms. As I also posted above, the term "tithe" carries improper theological baggage, and really shouldn't be used.

                  I did a google search on "The Difference Between Tithe and Offering" and got a lot of interesting hits. The very first one seems to fit my perspective on this pretty well.

                  What is the difference between tithes and offerings? Does the Bible instruct Christians to give tithes or offerings?


                  When trying to distinguish between tithes and offerings, it is important to first understand the concept of tithing. Christians today often think that what they give to their local church is a tithe, when in reality it is an offering. Christian tithing is a misnomer because Christians are under no obligation to fulfill the command to tithe as given to the Israelites as part of the Mosaic Law. The tithe was a requirement of the law in which all Israelites were to give 10% of everything they earned and grew to the Tabernacle/Temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). The New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system.

                  Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/tithes-a...#ixzz3SJhWXeX2
                  See the link for more, but this is right on the money (pun intended!).

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                  • #10
                    hasserl
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                    • Apr 2010
                    • 2876

                    Originally posted by bombadillo
                    Be a cheerful giver. Don't give out of requirements or judgement. Give because you DO use the facilities as described above, give because the Lord calls you to give, and give freely. It is the one thing He said to test Him in.
                    I agree with this 100%

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                    • #11
                      hasserl
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                      • Apr 2010
                      • 2876

                      Wow, I'm reading some of the other hits on that google search, and yikes, I'm not liking what I see at all. Lot's of misunderstanding out there from what I can see. I'm not talking about folks that just use "Tithe" interchangeably with "Offering", as funk_drum said, I'm seeing some stuff that definitely separates the 2 terms into categories, and preach both are still necessary today. For instance, tithes being 10% of all income, anything above being an offering.

                      IMO this is central to Reformation theology, you have to get this right, or the rest of your theology is suspect as well.

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                      • #12
                        Cyberion
                        Member
                        • Jan 2014
                        • 245

                        God tell us to bring our offerings not because he needs them, but because we have to remember all of it comes from him anyway. I can't think of a clearer message than this:

                        PSALM 50:7-15

                        7 “Listen, my people, and I will speak;
                        I will testify against you, Israel:
                        I am God, your God.
                        8 I bring no charges against you concerning your sacrifices
                        or concerning your burnt offerings, which are ever before me.
                        9 I have no need of a bull from your stall
                        or of goats from your pens,
                        10 for every animal of the forest is mine,
                        and the cattle on a thousand hills.
                        11 I know every bird in the mountains,
                        and the insects in the fields are mine.
                        12 If I were hungry I would not tell you,
                        for the world is mine, and all that is in it.
                        13 Do I eat the flesh of bulls
                        or drink the blood of goats?

                        14 “Sacrifice thank offerings to God,
                        fulfill your vows to the Most High,
                        15 and call on me in the day of trouble;
                        I will deliver you, and you will honor me.”

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                        • #13
                          db42
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                          • Jun 2011
                          • 1574

                          The phrase "tithes and offerings" appears several times throughout the Bible, so a distinction is made between the "tithe" and the "offering".

                          You are expected to give 10% of your income to support the work of the church, this is a "tithe".

                          When other costs arise, when people are in need, when you give to support other causes, these are "offerings".

                          As others have noted, your giving should be a willing sacrifice, not something you do out of fear or obligation. That said, not giving your 10% because you're not willing is your problem, not God's. As God Himself said, "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation." Malachi 3:8-9

                          And - so it's all fair - Willing obedience to such ordinances comes with rewards.

                          Malachi 3:10-12
                          Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts. And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.
                          I use to be an anarchist but I quit that; there's too many rules.

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                          • #14
                            hasserl
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                            • Apr 2010
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                            You're referring to old testament passages, taken out of context. I don't believe they are appropriate to Christian giving. Find for me the equivalent passages in the NT.

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                            • #15
                              P345
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                              • Jul 2012
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                              YES. I think 28 verses talk about this.
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