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  • Johnny Utah
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    • Aug 2014
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    A BETTER flashlight for law enforcement?



    Last edited by Johnny Utah; 10-17-2014, 12:17 PM.
  • #2
    Samuelx
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 1558

    "Better"? Dunno about that. I think it's an interesting concept but my first thought would be that I'd like to see maybe a head attachment for Surefire and Streamlight weapon lights based on that design (just emailed them). I like the name of the company.
    Last edited by Samuelx; 10-05-2014, 8:27 PM.

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    • #3
      P5Ret
      Calguns Addict
      • Oct 2010
      • 6374

      If the whole idea of a tactical light is to throw a beam of light that could be used to disorient a subject, wouldn't diffusing that beam sort of defeat the purpose? Yeah it may be great for searching wide area's, but who want to have to carry a third light.

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      • #4
        ralph.garmin
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        • Mar 2014
        • 319

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        Last edited by ralph.garmin; 10-08-2014, 10:28 PM.

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        • #5
          SoCalDep
          Senior Member
          • May 2007
          • 815

          It looks interesting, and I'd like to see it in person, but I have several initial concerns.

          First, an emitter only produces so many lumens... since reflectors, lenses, and bezel design all reduce overall light output, most good manufacturers maintain a major goal of maximizing the "out-the-front" lumens. In other words, they attempt to keep as much light from the emitter going down-range rather than being absorbed/blocked by the construction of the light. Beam makeup is largely a product of a reflector or lens of some sort. a 900 lumen floody light is still 900 lumens. A 900 lumen spot light is still 900 lumens, though favoring throw over the previous floody priority. The lights above seem to obtain their wide beam simply by reflecting the light in a horizontal manner. The extended portions of the bezel seem only to block light, thus making total output less efficient.

          For tactical use, orienting the light in the correct manner as opposed to an angled or vertical orientation seems difficult compared to many modern lights which simply offer a nice floody beam regardless of the orientation of the light.

          Lastly, the use of the light in conjunction with a handgun in many common hand-held light/handgun techniques would seem to potentially severely restrict the efficacy of the beam profile, where a simple flood light would still provide significant down-range illumination, much of the horizontal beam would be directed into the firearm/arm and potentially diminish the ability to see past the firearm.

          Not having the light to evaluate, these concerns are all assumptive, so there may be technology involved or specific design features that mitigate or eliminate these concerns.
          Last edited by SoCalDep; 10-05-2014, 11:58 PM.

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          • #6
            BayAreaShooter
            Calguns Addict
            • Aug 2010
            • 5054

            I honestly do not think the design is as "ground breaking" as they think it is. I like to have a hot spot and most of my lights produce a very bright hot spot with enough spill to see what I need to see in my peripheral vision. I also like to have more throw as to be able to see farther rather than wider. I can also get a light design to be more of a flood light which basically does the same thing as the light in the video.

            I'm not saying it is not useful, but for me and my needs it is not for me.
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            • #7
              jdubs71
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2013
              • 690

              I have a cheap flashlight from costco that has an adjustable lens cover that changes from a spotligh beam to a "wide screen". It is very bright and was cheap.
              "Common sense is not so common"

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              • #8
                TrailerparkTrash
                Veteran Member
                • Oct 2005
                • 4249

                Nothing beats a good 'ol Streamlite SL-20X with a bright LED bulb, in one's non-gun hand. It makes for a great "sap" when needed.

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                • #9
                  ElvenSoul
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                  • Apr 2008
                  • 17431

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                  • #10
                    Anti-Hero
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 1572

                    I'll keep my stinger, thanks.
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                    • #11
                      The Last American Hero
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 1215

                      I think he is on to something with the ergometrics(eyemetrics).

                      Your eyes are set up to search horizontally, since that is how most of the action on ground(or water) plays out, so it makes all the sense in the world for a light to do the same.

                      How often do you pan up and down with flashlight or spot light VS side to side? I'm guessing it is around 1 to 100 ratio.

                      My guess is you may see cheap knockoffs of this design soon(that will do 90% as good) , since patents only protect the 'Means', not the 'result'.

                      I also think if you used one of these lights for a month and then had it taken away you would really miss it and wonder why they didn't make lights like this for the last 100+ years and why it wasn't the 2nd feature introduced 100 years ago.
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                      • #12
                        nickbackouris
                        Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 202

                        I'm interested, and would be curious to try one in person. Initially, I'm concerned with:
                        1. Looks great for interiors. Not great for field searches. My streamlight handles both, but I'm sure isn't the best illumination stick there is.
                        2. It's expensive. It better be comparable to the blinding power of a quality scout light for that price.


                        I like the wide view. I feel like it would help in larger interiors when something pops up in the peripheral.

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                        • #13
                          GringoBandito6136
                          Member
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 164

                          Originally posted by TrailerparkTrash
                          Nothing beats a good 'ol Streamlite SL-20X with a bright LED bulb, in one's non-gun hand. It makes for a great "sap" when needed.

                          What this guy said. LEOS need three lights; the SL20 "workhorse" type with a nice bright bulb, and shift long battery life, and impact weapon capability, the small wazzoo CR123 battery type torch (beam me up Scotty), and a quality weapon light on their side arm.

                          I've carried an SL20 for 11 years, and made use of it as an illumination tool and impact weapon when the situation calls for it. Its a great implement for what it is. A backup to your baton, and a primary source of flood light when you need to own an alley, side yard, or the retinas and (pick your body part) of a non-compliant ner-do-well. The impact flashlight is essential kit.

                          Whatever that short-sticked new-fangled giant-headed LED-riffic lamp is that is referenced in the original post… I just don't see it solving any problem that the SL20/Maglight offerings (with modern LED lamps) haven't already been resolving for decades.
                          Last edited by GringoBandito6136; 10-10-2014, 2:20 AM. Reason: i misspell stuff
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                          • #14
                            BigStiCK
                            Veteran Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 3750

                            Originally posted by TrailerparkTrash
                            Nothing beats a good 'ol Streamlite SL-20X with a bright LED bulb, in one's non-gun hand. It makes for a great "sap" when needed.

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                            • #15
                              Johnny Utah
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2014
                              • 111

                              I am still with you guys on the Streamlight 20XL as I have three of them with the LED upgrade-

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