Busting Vets?

[11bravo1p]

Hello Gentlemen,

I'm curious to know if you tend to deal with individuals that have military service records a little bit differently than the average citizen. I do not want to start a flame war here, I am just curious if those currently in uniform or have a service record are extended a bit more common courtesy in real life.

I know that many Police Officers are former military and I wonder if that experience extends to dealing with offenders. Are those on the business side of the flashlight more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt, or viewed as more of a threat.Do you tend to consider the impact of a conviction on their lives? Or is it just business as usual?

[IrishJoe3]

Act like a professional, you get treated like a professional. I extend everyone common courtesy until I am given a reason not to. Give me an attitude that you are entitled to a break, you will quickly learn that you are not. This goes for everyone regardless of profession.

I expect members of the Armed Forces to act in an appropriate, professional manner like we all have been trained to be. Holding your CAC card out the window before you've even finished pulling over will win you no favors. It usually results in me pulling my CAC card that has a grade many levels above your own.

I've also had drunk, belligerent veterans become incensed when arrested for DUI etc, and I've been subject to significant verbal abuse from the same. A DD214 doesn't give you a free pass to do as you want, even though unfortunately there are many veterans and service members who feel that way.

Do you tend to consider the impact of a conviction on their lives?

It can't be that big of an impact since THEY put themselves there, not me.

[11bravo1p]

Would you do the same for a fellow officer?

[TRICKSTER]

Would you do the same for a fellow officer?

And we see where this is going.

[11bravo1p]

And we see where this is going.

It's a question trickster. No agenda. Just want to know.

[Petro6golf]

Vets get the same service as anyone else. If I pull you over for whatever reason and you put on your smug look and hand me your CAC card with dl, you will get a ticket.

I let most people go with a warning regarding traffic stops and if I pull over a fell officer he will get a warning as well.

[IrishJoe3]

Would you do the same for a fellow officer?

Act like a professional, you get treated like a professional. I extend everyone common courtesy until I am given a reason not to. Give me an attitude that you are entitled to a break, you will quickly learn that you are not. This goes for everyone regardless of profession.

Bold.

[IrishJoe3]

I'm not even sure why this is a question. If the CSM says don't walk on the grass, there is no discussion. You simply don't walk on the grass. And if you do walk on the grass, get caught and end up getting burnt until the middle of next week, everyone points and say's "what a dumbass, he shouldn't have walked on the grass".

What changes for some servicemembers when they leave the main gates of post, where they feel the rules don't apply to them? And get offended when told otherwise?

If a troop in my platoon told me he's special and remedial training doesn't apply to him, I would come unglued. So why is that mentality acceptable from the same troop outside of a military setting?

This is especially true from the leadership perspective. Why would I give young Soldiers a free pass for committing a moving violation? Because of young Soldiers doing stupid and wreckless things in cars we now have endless safety briefs, and POV inspections, mandatory training, and on and on. Sadly, Soldiers kill themselves frequently in vehicle accidents, often a result of risky behavior. So no one is done any favors when a young troop gets a "thanks for your service" and carte blanche for any moving violation.

[11bravo1p]

Bold.

Bold? What do you mean?

[11bravo1p]

Hey irishjoe, you are obviously a vet, what MOS?

[IrishJoe3]

Bold? What do you mean?

See the bold portion of my quote.

[IrishJoe3]

Hey irishjoe, you are obviously a vet, what MOS?

Engineer. PLT Sgt.

[11bravo1p]

Your a police officer now? Good to have you. We need you. I am not posting to break balls. I just want to know if service in Iraq and Afghanistan mean anything to you guys or if it should just bust and cuff.

[IrishJoe3]

Don't get me wrong, be responsible and professional as expected of us as Soldiers, odds are realllly good that we'll BS for 5 or 10 minutes on past duty stations.

Flash your CAC card or tell me that you fought for my freedom....stand by.

I wear a small lapel pin of the US Army flag on my uniform. Most troops don't notice it till too late.

[johnthomas]

I am a Vet, never expected or received a break because of it. I have never been treated worse either. Most people don't even know I'm a vet, except for the yes sir, no sir, yes ma'am no ma'am.