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  • WyattandDoc
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 767

    Very scary

    They are now attacking the cops. Not that we are any different than civilians, but when they include us, it truly shows how scary this is getting.

    California State Bill 396 - All retirees could become criminals
    I checked and SB 396 has been sent to the floor. The bill needs to be amended or defeated which is why I am sending this to those who can spread the word about this bill and its ramifications.



    California State Bill 396 - All retirees could become criminals

    Here is the short story: The old Penal Code section regarding the prohibition on high capacity magazines (over 10 rounds) prohibited the selling, importing, exporting, loaning, transferring, manufacturing magazines. It was intentionally silent on "possession" of high capacity magazines. This was because of concerns related to seizing property without compensation. Additionally, an exception was carved out for peace officers to possess/buy high capacity magazines for the weapons they own and/or are issued. The exception for peace officers covered them into retirement as long as they possessed the magazines before retirement. That is why peace officers purchasing their duty weapon at retirement got their magazines. Most peace officers are aware of this and purchase additional magazines for the weapons they own.

    SB 396 changes all of that. This Bill outlaws the possession of all high capacity magazines regardless of the date they were acquired, unless you are a full time working peace officer in this state under the authority of restricted 830.1 and .2 sections. The Bill also defines a high capacity magazine to be a magazine where the body has the ability to accept more than 10 rounds, even if it has been modified to only hold 10 rounds. It is believed that this definition was included in the Bill to prohibit an individual from obtaining a magazine of sufficient length to lock into a semi auto pistol of the size used by most people. In simple terms, outlaw the magazine = the pistol cannot function.

    An attempt to write in an exemption for retired law enforcement met with failure as there is an AG's opinion (the last one Brown opined before becoming Governor) that a retired peace officer is simply that. Under the 14th amendment (equal protection clause), a retired peace officer is strictly prohibited from getting a benefit not available to an ordinary citizen (which they are).

    So what this means, is if SB 396 becomes law, all retires become criminals if they have possession of any high capacity magazines, or if they have possession of any 10 round magazines that were made from a high capacity magazine, or if the magazine body is of sufficient length to hold over 10 rounds (i.e. can you lay the magazine on its side and line up more than 10 rounds double stacked).

    Now the really bad part, it seems that LAPPL, CAHP, ALADS etc. were asleep at the switch on this specific Bill and are trying to play catch-up. I am being told it is probably too late, but if a large number of retirees and current peace officers contact their legislators in the next few days, we may have a chance. The Bill passed through the Public Safety Committee last week and is now on the Floor.

    There are other legal ramifications under this Bill if a retired officer is caught with a magazine. They range from mandatory removal of your CCW to loss of pension benefits (if covered by PERS).

    Everyone should read the text of SB 396. (http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140SB396).

    To speak out and contact your State Representative, please see: http://assembly.ca.gov/assemblymembers
    Last edited by WyattandDoc; 09-12-2013, 10:48 PM.
    Knives don't stab people, cars don't drive drunk, eating utensils don't make you fat and pencils don't mis-spell words.
  • #2
    CessnaDriver
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2009
    • 10723

    Should it go on to Brown, then maybe LEOs can scream bloody murder to him about this to veto.


    "Yeah, like... well, I just want to slap a hippie or two. Maybe even make them get jobs."

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    • #3
      WyattandDoc
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2013
      • 767

      I hope everyone realizes that I posted this to show we're all in this together. I posted this on another thread and I'm getting flamed big time.
      Oh well, it comes with the profession.
      Knives don't stab people, cars don't drive drunk, eating utensils don't make you fat and pencils don't mis-spell words.

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      • #4
        WyattandDoc
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2013
        • 767

        Not so sure

        Originally posted by CessnaDriver
        Should it go on to Brown, then maybe LEOs can scream bloody murder to him about this to veto.
        The average Copper supports the 2nd Amendment more than most people realize.
        Last edited by WyattandDoc; 09-11-2013, 10:17 PM.
        Knives don't stab people, cars don't drive drunk, eating utensils don't make you fat and pencils don't mis-spell words.

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        • #5
          Calplinker
          Banned
          • Jun 2011
          • 1610

          Want LEO Unions on our side??? This is that chance.
          Last edited by retired; 09-13-2013, 4:37 PM.

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          • #6
            POLICESTATE
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Apr 2009
            • 18185

            As for the bill itself, I oppose it and all other gun bills passed since the 1934 National Firearms Act. I urge our fellow citizens in Law Enforcement to oppose all of these gun bills in process now, and even push for repealing all the other gun bills that have done absolutely nothing to remove firearms from the people that most want to harm LEOs and the rest of us.
            Last edited by retired; 09-13-2013, 4:35 PM.
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            • #7
              Calplinker
              Banned
              • Jun 2011
              • 1610

              Please ignore the angry folks who simply can't read.

              This isn't a plea to exempt retired LEO's as that isn't possible.

              It's a plea to get the word out and KILL the bill.

              Not sure why that's so difficult for some to comprehend.

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              • #8
                Exodus343
                Veteran Member
                • Jun 2012
                • 4735

                Originally posted by Calplinker
                Idiots. Stop with the flaming and pay attention. He is trying to help all of us.

                Want LEO Unions on our side??? This is that chance.
                THIS +10000


                I have MY own views about LEOs but now is not the time to argue

                if we need LEO to help us with some muscle now is the time to get rid of 396 and 374
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                • #9
                  DFence
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 1368

                  "The bill needs to be amended or defeated which is why I am sending this to those who can spread the word about this bill and its ramifications"

                  Not amended....only defeated. This bill would also make a lot of the general public criminals who legally own standard capacity magazines. We are all in this together. Glad to see you join the fight!
                  Its not paranoid.....its prepared.

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                  • #10
                    BT JUSTICE
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 1199

                    Remember kids, it isn't the LEOS who are generally anti-2a, its the Administration (who are politicians moreso than cops) and their Chief's associations. Learn the difference! Saying "Cops don't want you to have guns" is a lot like the media calling all scary looking rifles "machine guns".

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                    • #11
                      Ninask
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 1029

                      Sounds like this is a wake-up call for LEOS,
                      now that it is directly affecting you it is time to get directly into the opposition on a professional level,
                      LEOs can become true heros, like the sheriffs who are banding together and announcing they refuse to confiscate citizen's firearms or enforce un-Constitutional gun laws,
                      or they can capitulate and enforce the fascist take-over of our country
                      Last edited by Ninask; 09-11-2013, 11:01 PM.

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                      • #12
                        infringed711
                        Banned
                        • Jun 2012
                        • 2805

                        Originally posted by BT JUSTICE
                        Remember kids, it isn't the LEOS who are generally anti-2a, its the Administration (who are politicians moreso than cops) and their Chief's associations. Learn the difference! Saying "Cops don't want you to have guns" is a lot like the media calling all scary looking rifles "machine guns".
                        Fair enough, regardless we need to move past that and defeat these bills

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                        • #13
                          Ron-Solo
                          In Memoriam
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 8581

                          For you non LEOs, this applies to all your pre-2000 magazines, rebuilt kits, etc.

                          This is an attempt to criminalize ALL magazines over 10 rounds, not just those possessed by retired LEOs.
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                          • #14
                            POLICESTATE
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 18185

                            Originally posted by Ron-Solo
                            For you non LEOs, this applies to all your pre-2000 magazines, rebuilt kits, etc.

                            This is an attempt to criminalize ALL magazines over 10 rounds, not just those possessed by retired LEOs.
                            Yup! We're all in this together, it is truly going to be a watershed moment!
                            -POLICESTATE,
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                            • #15
                              NuGunner
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 705

                              Ex post facto law!!!!!!

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