How Would You Handle This?

[KABA556]

I'm confused on the question, and frankly am to lazy to read it again. Are you asking for advise from an on duty or off duty perspective?

I'm just wondering if it is customary to let somebody go when it is alleged that they made death threats, without even accepting the offer of audio/video evidence.

[KABA556]

It sounds to me the Police handled the situation correctly, got the Woman on her way, and sat around for a few minutes after to be sure she didn't come back. Both of you are grown men and were carrying firearms at the time. You could have protected yourselves, if forced to.

Well I'm mostly happy with how it ended, although that's just it... My father believes it is over and done with and that I can delete all of the footage because we won't need it.


I sort of suspect the woman is connected and might try to lay into us, especially if she learns my dad has a concealed permit [the local newspaper put the names of all those who were issued permits in 2004, 2005, and 2006 online, my dad being amongst them]. I'm going to hold on to all of the video and audio, at least for a few months, because I'm not convinced we've heard the last of us.

It might even happen that some cop will say my dad was ugly with her and should lose his permit.


I actually told him, "you know how some crazy people are, we might wind up sued by her for whatever she and her lawyer can dream up, I'm holding onto this footage."


I was also concerned that she was going to circle the block and then follow us home or that she might have gotten our plate down, my dad said, "you give her too much credit, she's an idiot."

[mjh4828]

I would have just honked at her some more and drove away.

[bill_k_lopez]

I'll just go ahead and say it.

I don't believe a damn thing you've posted. This thread is BS.

Actually, just listening to the audio, I urged my father to be calm, when he gave the "thumbs up" gesture, I said, "hey, both hands on the wheel, cool it, take it easy" and I pointed out, "she's following us, do we need to get the police?" and he said "good, let her follow us" and I said, "this could get ugly, what should we do?" and he said, "she's just a dumb b**** what's she going to do?"


After the stop in the parking lot, after she made her threat, and after the operator/dispatcher advised/told us to get back into the vehicle and remain there, I said to my dad a number of times, "she's still there, looking at us, I cannot see what she's doing now, for all I know she could be readying a gun, she could start shooting at us, why are we sitting with our backs to her, I don't like this, should we just leave?"

He said, "let her start shooting, it'll be the last thing she ever does."


When she was screaming she would kill my dad and that she would attack him, he said something like "good, that's real good, bring it, come on bring it, try me" and I said, "this is all on dash cam, I'm calling the police!" loud enough for her to hear it, and then I openly used my phone, so she had to know I was calling the police. She didn't seem to care, in fact on my recording, she actually screamed, "call the police, who cares."



I wanted to be out of there, gone, away from that situation, but I was the passenger, the passenger goes where the vehicle goes and the driver decides where the vehicle goes. It is possible she would have followed us home and I can understand if my dad didn't want her to know where we live.


My father's never been at fault in an accident, never been arrested for anything, never caused a fight, but he can get very upset if somebody gets ballistic because he honks at the horn at their bad driving or if he honks the horn to alert them they're about to strike us. We've had a number of incidents where people followed us for 5-10 miles just because he honked the horn when they came close to hitting us. If you heard the recordings, he's the one usually swearing under his breath and grumbling, and I'm usually the one suggesting that we divert, change our route, slow down, pull over, let them pass, etc. We had one guy who pulled in front of us, cutting of us, spiking his brakes, and my dad managed to avoid hitting him by spiking his brakes, but he immediately passed the guy, the guy and his friend started giving us obscene gestures and riding about 6 inches off our bumper, and while I suggested, "pulling over and letting them pass and go on their way" he just got angrier and angrier, "let them hit us, I'll sue" or "let them start something, I'll finish it."

I don't consider him an angry or a dangerous person, he hasn't even been in a fight since grade school, but people who follow him for 5-10 miles, repeatedly cutting him off, really get him upset. We've had some ugly situations, which is also one of the reasons I run a dash-cam, because even though he sometimes plays into their crap, he never starts anything, he never waves a gun, he never swerves to force them off the road, he never does anything violent, so if the situation escalates and violence results, it will be because they started the violence, and I want that on record, even though the record would probably show he was upset, grumbling, could have pulled over, etc.

[benjamin101677]

I have NO CLUE why if this happened in OHIO your posting this here.

I would call TROLL and say this is all crazy bull ****.

[SonofWWIIDI]

I cannot do that-

I can decide to post video of myself on youtube, but I cannot make that decision for my father or for the idiot lady.

I doubt my father wants to be seen losing his cool on youtube, almost hoping that the confrontation escalates.

I doubt that woman wants to be seen screaming death threats at somebody in a parking lot because she drifted into their lane twice and they blew the horn at her.


My main deal is that I'm surprised the cops didn't want the footage, I thought they'd want to document everything and get all available information/data.

Blur their faces, it's not that difficult. Then you can post it to YouTube and not feel like you are violating your fathers privacy.



And, I call BS.

Cool story though!

[benjamin101677]

I'll just go ahead and say it.

I don't believe a damn thing you've posted. This thread is BS.

I totally agree with you on this. Why is posting from Ohio into California?

I am thinking this guy doesn't have a permit or anything just trolling

[KABA556]

I'll just go ahead and say it.

I don't believe a damn thing you've posted. This thread is BS.

Fine then, it really doesn't matter to me and it doesn't change my life if random people on the internet don't believe something I've said.


You call me a liar without a shred of evidence to support your accusation and I've offered to make audio available to a verified LEO via email, simply stating I will not post it on the internet for public/unlimited access.

[KABA556]

I totally agree with you on this. Why is posting from Ohio into California?

I am thinking this guy doesn't have a permit or anything just trolling

Trolling for what?

Three simple questions-


1- Was the woman given a pass for making threats?

2- Would an average/typical cop be interested in video/audio of an encounter/incident?

3- How would you have handled it?

[Bainter1212]

Question why would you be running dashcams? Front, back and side.

No offense that doesn't sound normal to me.

Get used to it.

Type in "dashcam" on Amazon and you will see 5 dozen options with hundreds and hundreds of reviews. Some of them are very very cheap, with good quality film even at night. They have become extremely popular in Russia, where insurance fraud is rampant. They work so well to deter fraud and lawsuits that people are starting to use them quite a bit here in the states. I hope to get one soon.....my job requires that I have a good driving record, so every little thing I can do to protect myself from liability is a plus. Including using a $35 dashcam.

That being said, I thing LE did the right thing in this instance. Defuse the situation, get both parties to seperate and get on their way home.

[KABA556]

I totally agree with you on this. Why is posting from Ohio into California?

I am thinking this guy doesn't have a permit or anything just trolling

Actually, here, a copy of my permit with my first name, city/state, and the road I live on [it is a Lane actually] and part of the permit number.

Blitzburgh and I are in a gun transaction, he can confirm that is my first name [he sent me a money order], that I am in that city/state, that county, and that I live on a Lane type road.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=258958&stc=1&d=1377055917

[Petro6golf]

Wait hold up; you film 360 degrees of your car in the off chance you possibly shoot someone near your vehicle? And you run constant audio recording when your out in public on the off chance you shoot someone? A, that seems really time consuming to deal with every day on the super minute chance you fire your gun and B, its kinda just nutty. if you do shoot someone and go to court, the jury and the defense are going to make you out to be a wacko looking to shoot someone and get away with it.

[Rm7pr]

You need to be the better people here and avoid issues.

Let cooler heads prevail. It's easier to just remove yourself from the situation and avoid using your firearm unless you're cornered.(See Zimmerman)

[KABA556]

Get used to it.

Type in "dashcam" on Amazon and you will see 5 dozen options with hundreds and hundreds of reviews. Some of them are very very cheap, with good quality film even at night. They have become extremely popular in Russia, where insurance fraud is rampant. They work so well to deter fraud and lawsuits that people are starting to use them quite a bit here in the states. I hope to get one soon.....my job requires that I have a good driving record, so every little thing I can do to protect myself from liability is a plus. Including using a $35 dashcam.

That being said, I thing LE did the right thing in this instance. Defuse the situation, get both parties to seperate and get on their way home.

I've never been at fault in an accident, I've never had a parking ticket, and I've never had a speeding ticket.

The dash cam cost about $80 dollars and I consider it well worth it if somewhere down the road it records an accident where the other person flees [or denies being at fault] or if it records footage that shows it was a solid self-defense situation.


Here are pictures of my dash cam and my digital audio pocket recorder.

[KABA556]

Wait hold up; you film 360 degrees of your car in the off chance you possibly shoot someone near your vehicle? And you run constant audio recording when your out in public on the off chance you shoot someone? A, that seems really time consuming to deal with every day on the super minute chance you fire your gun and B, its kinda just nutty. if you do shoot someone and go to court, the jury and the defense are going to make you out to be a wacko looking to shoot someone and get away with it.

So it is better to never run audio and to just hope that there are 15 nuns around who witnessed the whole thing?


Do you think George Zimmerman is glad he didn't have a dash cam in his truck or a digital pocket recorder in his pocket?


Vehicle accidents/frauds are one reason, self-defense is another.

Also, I NEVER said that I run 360 degree video, that was something that somebody else put in my mouth. I said I run video "front and back" which results in coverage to the front of the vehicle at about 120 degrees, just enough to cover the front, and then back at about 120 degrees, with some lost area due to the seats/head-rests.


Three out of four Americans will be the victim of a crime at some point in their life, about fifty percent of Americans will be physically confronted/assaulted in some way [simple assault, mugging, battery, robbery, murder, etc].

So why should I even carry a gun, right? It's only an "off chance" that somebody will violently attack me, right?

Do you have a problem with SHALL ISSUE concealed carry?