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  • #16
    TRICKSTER
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Mar 2008
    • 12438

    Originally posted by Cool Custard
    As soon as I had passed the car I slowed from 72-73 down to 65 where I set the cruise control and got caught no more than 30 seconds later. The Tahoe is all stock so I know the speedo wasn't off. Do I know exactly the speed? No I don't. I do know that i never went over 73. But the 6mph discrepancy is what threw me off when he wrote the ticket. Didn't know that officers didn't have to show the radar anymore and I was just curious if since they no longer show radar if some other form of verification would be presented in court. Thanks for the answers. Guess ill just take my chances in court since this thread has fallen apart. Sad that even in the Leo forum we can't keep a topic coherent an in topic.

    And the only reason I called VW a troll is cause he went to another thread and was joking with me. I thought it was funny but I wanted to keep this on point to get some answers.
    They never had to show the radar, but some officers did it as a courtesy. By the way, you just contradicted your first post.


    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

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    • #17
      Caddis
      Member
      • Feb 2013
      • 120

      He was probably using Lidar. The way it works is an officer's testimony for radar tickets must include a current valid radar survey for that section of roadway(exceptions are for freeways). If it was a two lane road the maximum speed is 55 mph. If it is more than two lanes, the maximum speed would be 65 mph even it's posted 55 mph (it's call the basic speed law and you can go faster than the posted limit if it's safe. You can even get cited for speeding going below the posted speed limit if the conditions are unsafe ie: snow and ice). The burden of proof is upon the citing officer to prove it wasn't safe. There is no defense for exceeding the maximum state limit of 65 mph.

      In court, in addition to providing the radar survey, his testimony as to what he saw is the main evidence the judge will use in addition to his qualifications and training and experience using his radar equipment. An experienced officer will provide current calibration documents for the radar including any pretest and tuning fork information that his equipment was operating properly. Radar alone is not sufficient for a conviction. His visual estimate of your speed is the main testimony with the radar confirming what he witnessed.The judge will weight all of this against your testimony.

      Most if not all of the time, when you are driving, most people are not constantly looking at their speedometer. By the time you see the police, they already have your speed. This could be from a stationary radar (parked) or moving radar from a moving cop car coming toward you. Most people let up on the gas and then look at their speedometer which will be a few mph less than what they were going when their speed got locked in on the radar. A radar beam goes to infinity but it does have an effective range for recording which is several hundred yards depending on the type and beam width.

      Having written 1000's of speed violations, people asked me how do I beat a radar ticket. It will be against my professional ethics to discuss that in this venue (there's plenty of info on this if you Google it) but I usually ask them if they were speeding and most of the time they say they were and my answer is pay the ticket and go to traffic school.

      Hope this answers you original question

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      • #18
        Caddis
        Member
        • Feb 2013
        • 120

        He was probably using Lidar. The way it works is an officer's testimony for radar tickets must include a current valid radar survey for that section of roadway(exceptions are for freeways). If it was a two lane road the maximum speed is 55 mph. If it is more than two lanes, the maximum speed would be 65 mph even it's posted 55 mph (it's call the basic speed law and you can go faster than the posted limit if it's safe. You can even get cited for speeding going below the posted speed limit if the conditions are unsafe ie: snow and ice). The burden of proof is upon the citing officer to prove it wasn't safe. There is no defense for exceeding the maximum state limit of 65 mph.

        In court, in addition to providing the radar survey, his testimony as to what he saw is the main evidence the judge will use in addition to his qualifications and training and experience using his radar equipment. An experienced officer will provide current calibration documents for the radar including any pretest and tuning fork information that his equipment was operating properly. Radar alone is not sufficient for a conviction. His visual estimate of your speed is the main testimony with the radar confirming what he witnessed.The judge will weight all of this against your testimony.

        Most if not all of the time, when you are driving, most people are not constantly looking at their speedometer. By the time you see the police, they already have your speed. This could be from a stationary radar (parked) or moving radar from a moving cop car coming toward you. Most people let up on the gas and then look at their speedometer which will be a few mph less than what they were going when their speed got locked in on the radar. A radar beam goes to infinity but it does have an effective range for recording which is several hundred yards depending on the type and beam width.

        Having written 1000's of speed violations, people asked me how do I beat a radar ticket. It will be against my professional ethics to discuss that in this venue (there's plenty of info on this if you Google it) but I usually ask them if they were speeding and most of the time they say they were and my answer is pay the ticket and go to traffic school.

        Hope this answers you original question

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        • #19
          NytWolf
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 3935

          Originally posted by Cool Custard
          But the chp who gave me the ticket wrote me up for 79 in a 55! I wasn't watching my speedo but unless the Tahoe I was in turned into a Lamborghini I don't think I got anywhere close to 79. I was friendly to the officer, I'd met him bef
          Originally posted by Cool Custard
          I'm asking some technical questions on how the system in the car works.
          Originally posted by Cool Custard
          The Tahoe is all stock so I know the speedo wasn't off. Do I know exactly the speed? No I don't.
          You're ****ed. You said your Tahoe is all stock and your speedo is the only one in the entire world that is 100% accurate, but you have no technical knowledge of how the "system" in the car works. You also said only a Lamborghini can get to 79, but yet you say you know your Tahoe can get to "80+". Yep, you're ****ed.

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          • #20
            Track Rat
            Banned
            • Mar 2013
            • 452

            Trial by declaration or not guilty. 50/50 chance issuing officer won't show, case dismissed.

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            • #21
              TRICKSTER
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Mar 2008
              • 12438

              Originally posted by Track Rat
              Trial by declaration or not guilty. 50/50 chance issuing officer won't show, case dismissed.
              50/50 chance that CHP won't show up for traffic court?
              You are obviously not a LEO, so why are you even posting here?


              Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

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              • #22
                Q619
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 1223

                One, he'll show up to court. Two, if he ever gets caught in a lie then his career is likely over as his testimony can no longer hold up in court. He's lost his credibility. That's not going to happen. Given that, it's his word versus yours....the judge is going to take the officer for his word. Just take your licks, pay your ticket and go to traffic school. Be more careful in the future.

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