AR pistol: revisited.

[robocop1051]

Any LEO here built one of these yet?

More so, have any LEO's here gone the extra mile to reg an AR pistol as an AW for duty use?

Im thinking about getting an AR Pistol, but not interested in a bullet button.

[SgtMerc]

Not an LEO, but saw your post on the newly updated threads.

An AR pistol has a magazine outside of the pistol grip, so it must be bullet buttoned in this state.
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf numbers 15 and 16.

You can't go "featureless" with an ar pistol because it would have a pistol grip by definiton.

Edit: sorry, i missed the part about registering it as an AW. But isn't that still practically impossible, even for LEOs?

[vintagearms]

Any LEO here built one of these yet?

More so, have any LEO's here gone the extra mile to reg an AR pistol as an AW for duty use?

Im thinking about getting an AR Pistol, but not interested in a bullet button.

Duty use? Good luck with that. Our Entry Team has one but it just sits in the safe at work. Fun toy but not at all practical.

[ramathorn]

Fun toy but not at all practical.

^^^
It probably isn't worth the trouble. Shoot one before you go through the effort so you know how you like it.

[micro911]

I don't know why people want an AR pistol. I don't think it is a practical firearm.

[robocop1051]

I'm not going to try to defend these as a viable option in lieu of a rifle. I've shot the AR pistol in differing configurations. They have obvious advantages and disadvantages.

I'm not looking to replace the rifle. In looking for a pistol with a higher capacity magazine and higher velocity round than my .45 ACP.

I've been a motor for 6 years and the one thing I've always hated is not having a patrol rifle. Since personal SBR's aren't an option in CA, I'd like to pursue the idea of an AR pistol in my saddle bag. I've seen it done at certain agencies, just none of them in CA.

[12voltguy]

I don't know why people want an AR pistol. I don't think it is a practical firearm.

because it's same as a SBR without the butt stock
they work great

[robocop1051]

I'm not looking to replace the rifle. In looking for a pistol with a higher capacity magazine and higher velocity round than my .45 ACP.

Just to set the record straight. I'm not talking about a G17 here. I'm talking about a true high velocity, armor defeating, cartridge.

I've already done the measurements, and I know I can fit a Mk18 if I utilize the LAW Tactical folding stock adapter. Not a bad set up.

[constable]

I'm not going to try to defend these as a viable option in lieu of a rifle. I've shot the AR pistol in differing configurations. They have obvious advantages and disadvantages.

I'm not looking to replace the rifle. In looking for a pistol with a higher capacity magazine and higher velocity round than my .45 ACP.

I've been a motor for 6 years and the one thing I've always hated is not having a patrol rifle. Since personal SBR's aren't an option in CA, I'd like to pursue the idea of an AR pistol in my saddle bag. I've seen it done at certain agencies, just none of them in CA.

With department approval along with ATF approval SBR for law enforcement agencies is possible.... just a LOT of paperwork.

[benjamin101677]

I'm not going to try to defend these as a viable option in lieu of a rifle. I've shot the AR pistol in differing configurations. They have obvious advantages and disadvantages.

I'm not looking to replace the rifle. In looking for a pistol with a higher capacity magazine and higher velocity round than my .45 ACP.

I've been a motor for 6 years and the one thing I've always hated is not having a patrol rifle. Since personal SBR's aren't an option in CA, I'd like to pursue the idea of an AR pistol in my saddle bag. I've seen it done at certain agencies, just none of them in CA.

Plenty of law enforcement agencies in the valley I see run around with set up for standard AR-15's on motors. There are kept in a locked rack but easily open to the officer. I actually think in the long run this would be a lot easier to do and a better option.

If you had something in the saddle bag you may let it sit there and collect dust etc. If you have a rack like some of the agencies with regular ar's you probarly put it on and take it off at the beginning of shift which would be a good thing.

A agency I worked for removed shotguns from the cars and made every officer check one out at the begining of shift and check back in. That way everybody knew that the shotgun was working correctly. As before that shotguns sat for months in certain cars never used or checked. Our agency thought it was a safety issue

[todd2968]

I think if became standard issue for motorcycle cops you would see an increase of motorcycle theft lol

[VC Defense]

Interesting timing.
We just launched our new line of AR (5.56/ 223) pistols at the Ontario Gun Show today 8/3. Here's a link to a sneak peak: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=801962

We would be interested in helping to fulfill your needs. Please email, call or provide me your information and we'll discuss and customize to get what you want.

Our pistols can be DROSed and registered to anyone in CA passing normal pistol transfer requirements. Transfers can be performed by and CA FFL.

This can only be done if built by a manufacturer such as us.

We also displayed a limited availability 10.5" mid length carbon fiber handguard 308 Win AR pistol. It looks similar to the carbon fiber 5.56 pistol in the pics.

I'm not going to try to defend these as a viable option in lieu of a rifle. I've shot the AR pistol in differing configurations. They have obvious advantages and disadvantages.

I'm not looking to replace the rifle. In looking for a pistol with a higher capacity magazine and higher velocity round than my .45 ACP.

I've been a motor for 6 years and the one thing I've always hated is not having a patrol rifle. Since personal SBR's aren't an option in CA, I'd like to pursue the idea of an AR pistol in my saddle bag. I've seen it done at certain agencies, just none of them in CA.

[robocop1051]

Plenty of law enforcement agencies in the valley I see run around with set up for standard AR-15's on motors. There are kept in a locked rack but easily open to the officer. I actually think in the long run this would be a lot easier to do and a better option.

That is super common around here. Unfortunately, even though I ride a motor, I'm still responsible for patrol calls. I just have an "emphasis on traffic". This forces me to park my motor and walk away from it while I'm handling calls. Those external racks leave the rifle WAY too exposed. My responsibilities to patrol are also the reason why I'm pushing for an AR pistol. I'm still responding to alarms and suspicious persons, even potential active shooters, except from the back of a motor.

[tekrus05]

They are fun toys, having shot them on several occasions. However, I would personally find them impractical for duty use.

Not having a stock to me is like having half the AR missing, personally I find them extremely difficult to be accurate with. With a regular pistol I can get 1-2" groups at 20-30 yards. On a side note, I have seen some people at the range with "extended buffer tube caps." Which isn't a full sized stock, just a longer rubber nub but it allows you to shoulder the pistol but then again you're playing with the law just takes one person to make an example out of you.

[CBR_rider]

I don't know of any LEO's who have built their own and registered it as an assault weapon. Interesting idea, I'd first worry whether or not brass would approve it before I start salivating over making one.