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  • #16
    cuchillo negro
    Member
    • Jun 2013
    • 156

    Go sworn......the jail sucks after a few years.
    "Not everyone can be a U.S. Marine that is why there is the Army, Navy and Air Force"

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    • #17
      ls2monaro
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2009
      • 601

      Originally posted by cuchillo negro
      Go sworn......the jail sucks after a few years.
      True that! I lasted about a year before I started asking the inmate psych doctor to do evals on me lol!

      Big props to the jail deps and c.o.'s for a tough thankless job. Memories of sack lunches, choni exhcange, toilet paper, and naked men covered in poop wanting to fight.

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      • #18
        cuchillo negro
        Member
        • Jun 2013
        • 156

        Yeah I could not understand how CD's could last 25 or 30 years in the jails. I know most can not wait to retire.
        "Not everyone can be a U.S. Marine that is why there is the Army, Navy and Air Force"

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        • #19
          Socaliente
          Member
          • Nov 2012
          • 183

          Originally posted by cuchillo negro
          Yeah I could not understand how CD's could last 25 or 30 years in the jails. I know most can not wait to retire.
          Most CD's eventually get to a point where they are happy bringing their lunch, a few books, (or phone) and just relax for 12 hours getting paid a lot to do nothing. Not talking down on them, because those guys are needed to just sit there. It would drive me insane.


          As far as the question about the academy hours, if youre going thru the academy just go ahead and forget about your personal life for 9 weeks/ 6 months. Theres no set schedule, and while it may be posted, you will always be held over and always want to come in early. Then on your off time you will be juggling studying, cleaning uniforms/boots, and sleep. But once you graduate its all worth it.
          "I swear I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

          US Army Combat Engineer 03'-08' 1st Cav

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          • #20
            fabtechprerunner
            Junior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 39

            I've been noticing vaccant positions lately on their site. Are people washing out over there?
            Last edited by fabtechprerunner; 06-24-2013, 11:59 AM.

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            • #21
              Socaliente
              Member
              • Nov 2012
              • 183

              Originally posted by fabtechprerunner
              I've been noticing vaccant positions lately on their site. Are people washing out over there?
              There is major expansion going on. Indio jail is currently adding beds, Banning will be next. The Huge Whitewater Jail is still on the drawing board. They are getting ready for the big grow that is about to happen in corrections.
              "I swear I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

              US Army Combat Engineer 03'-08' 1st Cav

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              • #22
                ak_in_ca
                Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 354

                Originally posted by BoJackUSMC
                1) 12 hours per shift schedule so we will work 4 days in one week and 3 days next week.

                3) Once you get off your 18 months probation period. You are allow to carry department approved firearm as your CCW.

                4) You could request to stay in jail, but most likely they will re-class you to correctional deputy instead of deputy sheriff.

                5) Very easy to transfer to deputy sheriff, but you will have to attend full 6 months academy unless you already have POST.

                Like I said, some people prefer CD than deputy sheriff or other way around.

                Not all CD's work with inmates or behind the cell.... you can work at BO (business office doing paper work), ICE unit, classification, gang unit, transpo (bus driver), academy instructor, escort and help medical staff, etc.. However, you will need to get off your probation period before you can request to transfer.
                Bojack, you may need to review department policy before posting this here on CCW. After probationary status a CD may apply for a CCW through the sheriff's CCW unit but is not an automatic authorization to carry.

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                • #23
                  Socaliente
                  Member
                  • Nov 2012
                  • 183

                  If you are sworn and dont mind the desert, they are now sending guys straight from the academy to patrol if they will go east. Ive been on the fence, as there are tons of pros and cons.
                  "I swear I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

                  US Army Combat Engineer 03'-08' 1st Cav

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                  • #24
                    Midnightblue 72
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 1724

                    Corrections with RSO is a now great career path but as with all careers, it has it's lows and highs. Something I havent heard, stability and benefits. Something far too rare these days having the security of not constantly getting downsized and pay cuts like the private sector. Having relatively good benefits compared to the private sector, sick leave, vacation, OT, holiday pay, medical insurance and retirement. With deferred comp (a version of a 401K) you can have money diverted into your account, offsetting tax liability, piggy back that with your Cal-Pers and you can make a good retirement. On top of that, you do not pay into social security, no SSI tax on your check.

                    New hires dont fall under the 3% @ 50 rule but with good financial planning you can have a great retirement.

                    As stated, the opportunities in the jail are great, transpo (drivers pay= $1.25 an hour on top of your standard wage). Range master/Weapons Instructor, Academy Instructor, Training officer (with training officer pay premium) Business Office, Classification and Work Release/Home Detention.

                    With my previous LE career, Corrections has been good change for me. I have worked every assignment and specialty job the division has to offer and I am working my final assignment before retirement.

                    Now the cons. 12 hour shifts suck if you have a family. The division has become the definition of a reactive, micro-managed, "What if, it's always possible," reactive division as opposed to a proactive division. Here's my example, compare the patrol field manual to the Corrections policy and procedure manuals, one is one inch thick, the other, two phone books thick. I am actually waiting to see when a policy will come out, telling us how to tie our boots and what direction to wipe and how many times.

                    AB109, the flood of state sentenced inmates into the county level of incarceration is a time bomb waiting to explode, the division had better start running like a state prison because the majority of inmates are FROM state prison. Research how an inmate can get sent back, assault to staff. On duty deaths in state happen ALL THE TIME yet the division refuses to change. Good luck on that one.
                    Why do pharmaceutical company laboratories now use lawyers rather than lab rats for testing?
                    Lab personnel don't get as emotionally attached to lawyers. Lawyers do things rats won't.
                    Animal protection groups don't get nearly as excited.
                    Some people actually LIKE rats.
                    Originally posted by anbu_yoshi
                    Yall need us around to teach ya English. The immigrant Asians use proper grammar better than most Americans today. Now I'm by far any good at math.
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                    • #25
                      fabtechprerunner
                      Junior Member
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 39

                      Originally posted by Midnightblue 72
                      Corrections with RSO is a now great career path but as with all careers, it has it's lows and highs. Something I havent heard, stability and benefits. Something far too rare these days having the security of not constantly getting downsized and pay cuts like the private sector. Having relatively good benefits compared to the private sector, sick leave, vacation, OT, holiday pay, medical insurance and retirement. With deferred comp (a version of a 401K) you can have money diverted into your account, offsetting tax liability, piggy back that with your Cal-Pers and you can make a good retirement. On top of that, you do not pay into social security, no SSI tax on your check.

                      New hires dont fall under the 3% @ 50 rule but with good financial planning you can have a great retirement.

                      As stated, the opportunities in the jail are great, transpo (drivers pay= $1.25 an hour on top of your standard wage). Range master/Weapons Instructor, Academy Instructor, Training officer (with training officer pay premium) Business Office, Classification and Work Release/Home Detention.

                      With my previous LE career, Corrections has been good change for me. I have worked every assignment and specialty job the division has to offer and I am working my final assignment before retirement.

                      Now the cons. 12 hour shifts suck if you have a family. The division has become the definition of a reactive, micro-managed, "What if, it's always possible," reactive division as opposed to a proactive division. Here's my example, compare the patrol field manual to the Corrections policy and procedure manuals, one is one inch thick, the other, two phone books thick. I am actually waiting to see when a policy will come out, telling us how to tie our boots and what direction to wipe and how many times.

                      AB109, the flood of state sentenced inmates into the county level of incarceration is a time bomb waiting to explode, the division had better start running like a state prison because the majority of inmates are FROM state prison. Research how an inmate can get sent back, assault to staff. On duty deaths in state happen ALL THE TIME yet the division refuses to change. Good luck on that one.
                      How often can you take up different assignments? Such as transpo,range master/weapons instructor? Are they assignments short termed, as in 6 month period?

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                      • #26
                        Midnightblue 72
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 1724

                        Originally posted by fabtechprerunner
                        How often can you take up different assignments? Such as transpo,range master/weapons instructor? Are they assignments short termed, as in 6 month period?
                        After you pay your dues, 18 months of probation and some line time you can apply for:

                        Range master, is a quarterly assignment that consists of 1-3 days away from the jail to qual stations and the jail staff. To obtain the position, you shoot a qual course significantly harder than any POST course and receive California POST certification as a range Master weapons Instructor.

                        Transportation is a separate assignment away from daily grind of being a turn key, you are in your own area moving arraignments, trial bodies and out of county transfers and pickups. Transportation, that can last anywhere from 2 years to 6 years. You can choose to get your commercial license and drive the MCI buses and get $1.25 an hour drivers pay. Then you get your State certified commercial driver's instructor certification and get an extra $1.25 an hour training staff.

                        Training officer, $1.25 while training others, I have seen T.O.s who have been on the department as little as 3 years. You can train as long as you want, as long as you perform within standards.

                        The division is a great experience builder for people who have never been exposed to the hard core criminal elements of society. Every deputy sheriff (DS) should do at LEAST 12 months in the jail if not more, sadly the average jail time for academy grad deputies is right at, 5 years. Working as corrections and attending the academy is no guarantee of going to patrol, I know of 5 people in the last 5 years who went DS and stayed in the jail another 5 years, one person in particular did 12 years in detention only to do 5 more as a DS in the jail.

                        Lastly, working corrections is a benefit if you do go DS, many and I mean many DSs couldnt pass field training, had discipline issues or realized being a paper pusher in a black and white wasnt for them and if they did NOT have that experience, would be jobless today. Instead they reclassified into corrections, if they didnt have that training and experience, they would be forced to go through the entire rehire process for corrections.

                        Personally, I thank God everyday I have a job, changing careers was traumatic but quite frankly, I think it saved me mentally.


                        PM me if you have any more questions.
                        Last edited by Midnightblue 72; 07-23-2013, 7:19 PM.
                        Why do pharmaceutical company laboratories now use lawyers rather than lab rats for testing?
                        Lab personnel don't get as emotionally attached to lawyers. Lawyers do things rats won't.
                        Animal protection groups don't get nearly as excited.
                        Some people actually LIKE rats.
                        Originally posted by anbu_yoshi
                        Yall need us around to teach ya English. The immigrant Asians use proper grammar better than most Americans today. Now I'm by far any good at math.
                        Originally posted by Some Guy
                        I love Dicks!

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                        • #27
                          BoJackUSMC
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 7091

                          Originally posted by Midnightblue 72
                          Corrections with RSO is a now great career path but as with all careers, it has it's lows and highs. Something I havent heard, stability and benefits. Something far too rare these days having the security of not constantly getting downsized and pay cuts like the private sector. Having relatively good benefits compared to the private sector, sick leave, vacation, OT, holiday pay, medical insurance and retirement. With deferred comp (a version of a 401K) you can have money diverted into your account, offsetting tax liability, piggy back that with your Cal-Pers and you can make a good retirement. On top of that, you do not pay into social security, no SSI tax on your check.

                          New hires dont fall under the 3% @ 50 rule but with good financial planning you can have a great retirement.

                          As stated, the opportunities in the jail are great, transpo (drivers pay= $1.25 an hour on top of your standard wage). Range master/Weapons Instructor, Academy Instructor, Training officer (with training officer pay premium) Business Office, Classification and Work Release/Home Detention.

                          With my previous LE career, Corrections has been good change for me. I have worked every assignment and specialty job the division has to offer and I am working my final assignment before retirement.

                          Now the cons. 12 hour shifts suck if you have a family. The division has become the definition of a reactive, micro-managed, "What if, it's always possible," reactive division as opposed to a proactive division. Here's my example, compare the patrol field manual to the Corrections policy and procedure manuals, one is one inch thick, the other, two phone books thick. I am actually waiting to see when a policy will come out, telling us how to tie our boots and what direction to wipe and how many times.

                          AB109, the flood of state sentenced inmates into the county level of incarceration is a time bomb waiting to explode, the division had better start running like a state prison because the majority of inmates are FROM state prison. Research how an inmate can get sent back, assault to staff. On duty deaths in state happen ALL THE TIME yet the division refuses to change. Good luck on that one.
                          ^This

                          Jail is getting more dangerous than ever... we got guys doing over 10 years in our jail.. they will do whatever it takes to go back to state sometimes. Those inmates do not want to stay in county (less freedom and less things to do).

                          I am also thankful I have a job in today's economy. Just be smart about your retirement plan if you do get hire (invest in deferred comp and other retirement plans soon as possible).

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                          • #28
                            desertexplore
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 4221

                            Tagged, good info.

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                            • #29
                              Bobby Ricigliano
                              Mit Gott und Mauser
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 17439

                              These guys have given you spot on advice based on personal experience, the best kind.

                              I would focus more on making yourself marketable and getting hired than on the minutiae of the jobs. Why not apply for both? Apply everywhere. Cast a wide net. Most guys do NOT get hired by the first agency they apply at. I worked the jails for years, and although it can be tedious, it can also be dangerous and there is a lot to learn from the inmate population that will help you later in patrol.

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