Open carry within residence during search?

[CBR_rider]

To go a little OT and to inject some humor in this, I couldn't help but think of the extreme attitudes about who has what authority, I was reminded of one of my heroes, Mr. P. Barnes and his X26 Taser. Plus, I'm going to Sovereign Citizen training next week. God bless America where everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter how wrong or misguided it is.

Since we are already OT a bit.. what's the back story on the video?

[NoHeavyHitter]

Brother, retirement suits you!

THAT we can agree on!

[Heiko]

Since we are already OT a bit.. what's the back story on the video?

There is a longer version of the video where this guy is pacing up and down the hallway of the courthouse muttering about what he's there and how he's going to masterfully assert his intellect upon the court. He's with his mommy. () If I recall correctly, dude is there for a traffic infraction but he's one of the Sovereign Citizen types and he's all full of piss and vinegar until P. Barnes gives him a ride.

Here is a link to a little background and the longer video where he claims his Fourth Amendment rights and asserts that he is not a "person". It's about 8 minutes of your life you'll never get back but it's worth a few minutes for a laugh.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e3_1347977220&comments=1

I don't know if you've ever dealt with one of these types but they are infuriating. I don't know a ton about them other than I've heard them go on about how the courts are subject to maritime or military law because the American flag has a spear point and gold fringe. They sometimes talk in strange phrases and torture language to suit their needs. They don't think they need DLs or in one case I dealt with, pay for water or electricity. Nut buckets! Even better, while claiming the courts don't have jurisdiction over them, they tried to sue me with some BS pleadings. I have them somewhere for whenever I get a bird and need to line the cage.

[CBR_rider]

TLO? I need to attend some more training this year; my agency is so understaffed right now though that it is nearly impossible to get time to go unless it is POST backfill authorized.

My condolences that you had to put up with some of the shenanigans sovereign's like to do! I have yet to run into any that required any kind of enforcement action, but I will be sure to have my "patience hat" on that day (as well as a good cover officer!).

[SonofWWIIDI]

I find it disconcerting that some here suggest that others should, and that they would, voluntarily relinquish their rights just because thay have nothing to hide. Just because I have nothing to hide doesn't mean I am willing to give up my rights, and I won't.

That said, I would be happy to talk to the authorities and answer any basic questions about who is on the premises and who I am.

But I also wouldn't be cowering in my home. I would be going about my business. If it was lawn mowing day, that's what I would be doing, car wash day, that's what I would be doing. I refuse to let the possibility that one scumbag might be in my area keep me from my normal routine. Sorry if that doesn't fit into the neighborhood security aspect of the situation.

One mans despicable actions in a public place keeps tens of thousands of people cowering in there homes like cockroaches scurrying under the fridge when the lights come on. That is what the terrorists want, to bring everything and everyone to a halt. And the politicians want the same thing, so we get in the habit of letting one person or a few control the actions of many.

To my LEO friends, I have no problems with you, and I like that you are doing your job trying to protect the people. Thank you for doing a difficult, frequently thankless job.

No you may not search my home.

That, my friend, is why they call it terrorism! I don't expect everybody to understand my point when I ask you to just talk to the coppers at the door. I'll tell you what I would do if I was that copper at the door, completely hypothetical of course. I'm looking for a dirtbag that committed (x) crime, you know, an a**hole that just blew up a bunch of people, led the cops on a chase and shot it out with them. Looking through a neighborhood going door to door, knowing that what you are doing is lame and probably not gonna do anything but make me hungry and piss of the whole community because you woke up sleeping little Johnny. You knock on a door and a voice from the other side says "go away!"
I say "Police" or "Sheriff's Department" or "Federal Agent", "can you come to the door so we can talk?" and the voice responds "F**K off, he is not here"
I'm gonna call for at least two more units and start snooping around the house because something ain't right. I look in the windows and I see a dude with a [gun]. The excrement can hit the Westinghouse after this all because you don't want the cops to come inside and see your blow up doll or you think they are trampling on your rights. Good lord, answer the door, talk to them. Tell them that there is nobody here but us Joneses and thank you for being concerned about us and no you may not search my house. I'll walk away thinking you are a whack job but because you were calm and I could see your kids through the open door playing Xbox and they did not look afraid at all, I'll know the suspect isn't there. How hard is that? Your rights are still intact! Nobody got their door kicked in or their teeth because you wanted to assert your constitutional rights all over my forehead. And the Gestapo went on their merry way to violate someone else's civil liberties.

Please re-read the second paragraph of my post. Since you only quoted a small portion of my original, it would seem you may have overlooked the rest of it.

Nowhere did I say I wouldn't answer the door, nowhere did I say I would yell "f-you" through the door, you are barking at the wrong person!

[TRICKSTER]

The problem that I see with most of the "you cant do that" crowd here on Calguns is that they ignore the word "unreasonable" in the 4th A and pretend that the word is not there. Then there are those who are so unreasonable themselves, that they just cant comprehend the actual meaning of the word.

[bill_k_lopez]

Why does this require a LEO to answer?

You know that a pedestrian has the right of way once in a crosswalk? I dare you to enforce that right in the path of an oncomming bus.

With that said - common sense would dictate that its not such a smart thing to answer the door, knowing it was the police on the other side, with a gun. And I'm not even talking about during a door to door manhunt. Neither is it a good idea to respond to police knocking at your door with "HOLD ON, I'VE GOT A GUN". or any other statement that has the word gun in it.

[Shasta Frog]

My answer wasn't a dodge - I'm a retired government worker (and NO we're NOT going to discuss whether or not anyone thinks I deserve my pension). Secondly, I never insinuated that I'd engage LE with deadly force, because I know that no bona-fide officer would engage in an unannounced B&E on my residence.

I would only engage an unlawful intruder with deadly force. Any police entry would/should be well-announced so only a new door should be needed. That said, the home I live in has been in my family since it was built. I know which two steps squeak and right where to deliver a 9 pellet greeting through the wall before any visual contact is made. I'll deal with the consequences of defending my home later. Fact is you don't make retirement by giving the BG a "fair chance". These cadets that get cocky believing no "homeowner" or other "less deadly old fart" could punch their ticket under mistaken circumstances are usually the first out. I'm reasonably certain that officer Collier would agree.

Oh, and ya just might want to take that GPS back to Costco for a refund..

^Well said

[Sacmedic]

CBR rider-


Yep, that's a TLO course that has been making the rounds. Went to it about two months ago. Speaker is the retired chief of the West Memphis PD who's sone was killed with another officer by these Soverign Citizen d-bags. Definitely worth a few hours, even on your own dime, to attend.

[Ron-Solo]

Why does this require a LEO to answer?

It doesn't, but if someone is going to try and come across as an expert, a little experience to back it up helps a bit.

His responses needed to be authenticated for clarity sake. This is the LE forum, and it needed to be clear that he does not represent LE..

[five.five-six]

Has anybody here been "authenticated" as an LEO? This is the internet and it's pretty easy to pretend to be whatever you want

It is pretty clear that most all of the people purporting to have LEO experience do. Those that don't are probably not those who's authenticity you are questioning.

[Ron-Solo]

Well, maybe authenticated was the wrong word, but nonsensical advice doesn't belong in this forum. That's what off topic is for.

Roger that about the Internet. I am, after all, a Jedi Knight.

[five.five-six]

Well, maybe authenticated was the wrong word, but nonsensical advice doesn't belong in this forum. That's what off topic is for.

Roger that about the Internet. I am, after all, a Jedi Knight

I'm a Sith Lord

[Ron-Solo]

I'm a Sith Lord

You know the Jedi win, right dad?

[safewaysecurity]

If there is a terrorist in the neighborhood and we are looking for him door to door, you gonna be the one guy who is going to be difficult about it and play the warrant game?

I would depending on the circumstances. Given the location of my home in my neighborhood I would not be letting cops in my house without a warrant, I have nice things, I don't need them breaking them. I'll clear my own house thank you very much.