Providing LE With Identification

[TRICKSTER]

I may be wrong, but since I've heard the same thing (or very similar things) in face to face, real world discussions with people ranging from CA POST course instructors, CA cops, Federal cops, KY cops, GA cops, Army MP instructors, Air Force SF instructors, and various lawyers (military and civilian), and DAs, my assumption was that it was good info.
Maybe things have changed over time, maybe it's just that they all worked in areas at where least some judges are more liberal, so wanted to be particularly careful to "cross their T's and dot their I's".

People have told me that it's particularly frustrating to see an otherwise solid case get thrown out due to an officer skipping steps at the start, and allowing a bunch of evidence to be suppressed as a result.

First, just because an officer doesn't explain their reason for a stop right away does not mean that they do not have one or can't articulate it in a report. If you had even the least bit of actual experience you would know that there are reasons why an officer wouldn't want to start off with this.
Second, I am starting to see a pattern of "I've heard that", I've been told this", "People have told me". As much as you want to come across as knowledgeable, you have no real world experience as a civilian LEO and yet, you somehow assume that you know more about doing the job than LEO's that have actually done it for decades. You have given advise, portraying yourself as a knowledgeable LEO that could get people hurt or arrested. Do you not think that this alone could turn people against LEO's, when they follow your advise and find out that some "LEO" gave them bad info. You claim that you are trying to help the profession and yet all I see you doing is telling people that the actual Civilian LEO's here, that have done the job for years, are wrong.
Please do the posters that come here to ask for information a favor and stick to what you know, not what you think you know.

[Ron-Solo]

Well first off i don't want to tell you i'm giving you my law enforcement advise since i am not an officer yet im making it clear from the get go this is just my personal experience with law enforcement on a ride along with the san Bernadino sheriffs department and pretty much that is what we did most of the night when our calls slowed down. We drove through residential streets looking for break lights or people in vehicles just parked on the side of the road. We would run the plate and if it didn't belong in that neighborhood we would pull up behind them and ask what there doing and ask for id the deptuy i road with said that being in a neighborhood where you dont live stopped on the side of the road gave us enough pc to do an id check on the driver. If he was clean and had a somewhat valid reason to be there we would let them go if he didn't we escorted them out we had to do that to 2 vehicles because they said they were there to see a friend but didn't know what house was theres friends and kept changing it on us.I don't know if that helps i just thought i would put it out there since it sounds like it was a similar situation.

What you have described is a consensual contact. As the contact progresses, reasonable suspicion can progress to the point of a detention based on the individual circumstances.

There are a lot of things going on during a stop that a layman won't be aware of. Even when I was an FTO, I had trainees that didn't grasp everything that was occurring during the contact. That's what training is for. It can take an academy graduate four to six months of FTO training to grasp the concepts. Some don't get it and fail FTO.

[retired]

The OP's question has been asked and answered several times over, so there is no need to for this thread to continue. In fact, it has seriously gone off topic and retiredAFcop, you are the primary cause for that occurrence.

As several leos have posted, you are not, nor were you a civilian leo. It does not matter how many friends you have who are or have been; you have not been a civilian leo. Furthermore, you have not, by your own admission, had to deal with the type of things the leos on this board and across the country have had and continue to deal with since 95% of your dealings while a military leo were consensual.

Please do not come into the leo forum and attempt to teach these active leos how to do their job or tell a retired leo how they should have done it. It is, in fact, presumptuous of you to do so. You were a leo in the military and I think it would be safe to say we all thank you for your service; it is sincerely appreciated. You are a teacher now by your prior post. Please do not think that either qualifies you to teach leos how to do their job as they do not. It also does not qualify you to teach others how leos should do their job. Your comments, could, as some leos have said, result in a non leo getting arrested or an active leo getting injured or killed due to a non leo basing their actions on your advice.

Please read the rules again to ascertain what it is a non leo can post in this forum. Thank you.