Assault Weapons for personal use by LEOs

[Notorious]

So what does SCAR stand for? For those who say the "AW" is fabricated by the media....

Marketing. The real SCAR has about as much to do with the civilian SCAR as your Chevrolet Camaro have to do with the NASCAR Camaro.

[lavey29]

LEOs are exempt from 10+ magazine law, they can purchase "hi-cap magazines" any time they want. They are not exempt from Assault Weapon laws and can only purchase and register a Assault Weapon if authorized by their department.

Correct and not all Departments will give you an authorization to purchase. Also, if you leave employment DOJ requires the rifle be turned in once peace officer status is no longer in affect. Not sure if they allow conversion to legal rifle such as BB installed in lieu of. Probably depends on the on/off list.

[Notorious]

Correct and not all Departments will give you an authorization to purchase. Also, if you leave employment DOJ requires the rifle be turned in once peace officer status is no longer in affect. Not sure if they allow conversion to legal rifle such as BB installed in lieu of. Probably depends on the on/off list.

Did DOJ put out a new memo requiring that upon separation of employment?

AFAIK, there is no mechanism for turning in your personally purchased AW nor was there anything written in the law about conversion to legal configuration.

The parting shot by Moonbeam Brown was just his opinion as AG and given his background, it's no surprise that he wrote that to pass onto Kamala to carry out his wishes to disarm the populace.

Until told otherwise, the departments I talked to are letting their officers keep their personally purchased AW's. Nobody wants to buy it back and there is no mandate to do so.

[EssDee]

I saw a cop beating a guy with a flashlight.....
I'm sure he sees a flashlight and quivers "***..as..ssau..llttt...weweweappponnn"

[lavey29]

Did DOJ put out a new memo requiring that upon separation of employment?

AFAIK, there is no mechanism for turning in your personally purchased AW nor was there anything written in the law about conversion to legal configuration.

The parting shot by Moonbeam Brown was just his opinion as AG and given his background, it's no surprise that he wrote that to pass onto Kamala to carry out his wishes to disarm the populace.

Until told otherwise, the departments I talked to are letting their officers keep their personally purchased AW's. Nobody wants to buy it back and there is no mandate to do so.

Friend of mine from work told me that a buddy of his on a smaller Department got a letter to purchase a rifle and along with the DROS is a DOJ letter affidavit that you sign wherein you agree to surrender your rifle upon separation from the Department. I have not seen such letter personally but do believe it is part of the purchase/registration agreement. Now how DOJ is enforcing the surrender if you fail to honor the original agreement I do not know either. Larger Department are not issuing letters to purchase from my own personal knowledge.

I will try and go by one of my local shops that does government purchases with Department letters and see if I can get a copy of the DOJ letter to scan and post on here during the week.

[Notorious]

Friend of mine from work told me that a buddy of his on a smaller Department got a letter to purchase a rifle and along with the DROS is a DOJ letter affidavit that you sign wherein you agree to surrender your rifle upon separation from the Department. I have not seen such letter personally but do believe it is part of the purchase/registration agreement. Now how DOJ is enforcing the surrender if you fail to honor the original agreement I do not know either. Larger Department are not issuing letters to purchase from my own personal knowledge.

I will try and go by one of my local shops that does government purchases with Department letters and see if I can get a copy of the DOJ letter to scan and post on here during the week.

None of my buddies who have previously purchased rifles under the program had such a letter in their DROS from the DOJ.

Just call Pro Force tomorrow to see if they know since they are one of the biggest dealers for LE AW.

[lavey29]

The shop I use does quite a bit of sales vie department letter. I will try and get by them by mid week to see if they have a copy of the DOJ letter that I was referred to.

[FiveSeven]

However, if a LEO does not have an exempt AK, buying all the large capacity AK magazines doesn't matter because he still can't use the magazines in his bullet button locked AK as that is manufacturing an AW under CA laws. LEO's are not exempt from AW laws except as above.

"Featureless".

[Notorious]

"Featureless".

However, if a LEO does not have an exempt AK, buying all the large capacity AK magazines doesn't matter because he still can't use the magazines in his bullet button locked AK as that is manufacturing an AW under CA laws. LEO's are not exempt from AW laws except as above.

Thank you. One point at a time as I dissect what was said.

- "an exempt AK" denoting either registered or featureless

- "bullet button locked AK" denotes that it is not registerd or featureless

- "AW laws" state featureless is okay to use large capacity magazines

Therefore, what I had said covered your statement, but yeah, to make it even more obvious, thanks for pointing it out.

[FiveSeven]

The whole (my) point was/is, why would any leo have a need/want for "high" capacity AK mags?

Also, there are numerous small LE agencies that have less or different restrictions/requirements/view on what officer can use/own as a patrol rifle.
AK 74 (or even AKM) with decent optic is even better suited for the task imho than M4/AR.

[Notorious]

The whole (my) point was/is, why would any leo have a need/want for "high" capacity AK mags?

Same reason why any civilian would want an AK of any capacity.

[CBR_rider]

Warhawk,
I think what he is trying to say is: How would you make the distinction that a LEO using high capacity magazines to train off-duty (for his on-duty assignments/skills) is any different than him/her using the same magazines while training on duty?

FiveSeven,
While I do want an AK74, I'm perfectly happy with my Colt AR for work. I don't see any advantage to be gained by changing weapon systems.

[FiveSeven]

Advantages is Murphy's law in-itself. Something more simpler (with MUCH fewer parts), easier maintenance platform and just as easy to adapt to a specific user is better IMHO + it's just as accurate for intended distance.... Ultimately it's "whatever floats your boat" and as I stated, it's my opinion.

Same reason why any civilian would want an AK of any capacity.

You won't find any disagreement from me on that... But, I'm going by what current law permits even thou I think it's pure garbage of a law.

[eviioiive]

LEOSA.

[FiveSeven]

LEOSA.

Do you have first hand experience? As I've seen some officers were prosecuted for possessing unregistered AR's. LEOSA didn't help them much.