Fish and Game Code 2006

[Ron-Solo]

I love how u think because u r a leo exempts u from the law.

LEOSA allows law enforcement to carry and supersedes state laws. It is a federal law.

Don't go away mad, just go away.

[DEPUTYBILL]

It seems to me that one of the last PORAC magazines,had an article on the federal law regarding off duty carry. Can't find my copy now,but it seems that it was only an issue or two ago.

[mej16489]

Bah, I'm pretty sure there is a relatively recent case from a circuit court (4th?) where the judge dismissed a case against a LEO with a Rifle on LEOSA grounds, but I can't find it either...

LEOSA is about "firearms" not "handguns"

[IrishJoe3]

I love how u think because u r a leo exempts u from the law.

Tangent here, WTF is up with text speak. Am I the only one that thinks "u" instead of "you" and "r" instead of "are" is incredibly lazy, sloppy and unprofessional?

If someone doesn't care enough to use proper grammar I usually don't care enough to even try to listen to their point.

Back to the regular topic....

[IrishJoe3]

I never claimed non-LEO idiots were pros

Contrary to the Calguns keyboard commandos with their MOLLE plate carries and tacticool guns, your average LEO is a considerably more proficient with firearms than your average gun owner.

I know the cool crowd likes to feel smug that they are rambo and cops barney fife, but...

[CSACANNONEER]

Contrary to the Calguns keyboard commandos with their MOLLE plate carries and tacticool guns, your average LEO is a considerably more proficient with firearms than your average gun owner.

I know the cool crowd likes to feel smug that they are rambo and cops barney fife, but...

I grew up with a LEO father but, he was a shooter and hunter decades before he was a LEO. I will agree that shooters who happen to be LEOs are normally pretty proficient but, I've seen plenty of LEOs who really do not know how to shoot. I will say that every single LEO that I've seen shoot who I know was trained at Quantico is very proficient (except the one dumb azz ex-DEA agent). Other academies seem to lack this quality of training. I've shot competitively with LEOs who are average to pretty good. However, when I worked at a range, I also saw the "other LEOs". You know, the ones that only shoot one box of ammo the week before they have to qualify and always have trouble hitting a full sized silloutte at 7 yards. There are far too many of these types around. I'm surprised anyone would partner with them knowing that their firearms skills can't be relied upon in times of need. Of course, this is not the type of LEO who would frequent a gun forum so, I'm not talking about anyone here.

Now, I should clarify something else. I'm not sure that your post reads the way you ment it to. You wrote

Contrary to the Calguns keyboard commandos with their MOLLE plate carries and tacticool guns, your average LEO is a considerably more proficient with firearms than your average gun owner.

I know the cool crowd likes to feel smug that they are rambo and cops barney fife, but...

I feel that I either missed something or you mistakenly think that the average gun owner is a tactifool mall ninja. If that's your view, I'm sorry. If you are comparing tactifool idiots to the average LEO, I'd agree with you but, remember that there are more than a few tacticool, mall ninja, LEOs and that the majority of gun owners are more apt to use paper plates when eating moles than spend the money on special Molle plates.

[nothing4u]

I love how you are ignorant that he isn't arguing he is above the law...he's arguing that he is following overriding federal law per LEOSA.

That's fine and dandy but there's this thing called state rights. This case is actually a 10th Amendment issue.

[IrishJoe3]

I feel that I either missed something or you mistakenly think that the average gun owner is a tactifool mall ninja. If that's your view, I'm sorry. If you are comparing tactifool idiots to the average LEO, I'd agree with you but, remember that there are more than a few tacticool, mall ninja, LEOs and that the majority of gun owners are more apt to use paper plates when eating moles than spend the money on special Molle plates.

I LOLed, you’re right.
See, that’s what I get when I fire from the hip like that. ;-) No, I simply was poking fun at a few folks here that love to scoff at how untrained LEOs are compared to them, as they strut around in every tactical accessory known to man. I find it amusing.
There are plenty of non LEOs that are excellent, amazingly proficient. And Plenty of LEOs who are….not. But I gotta say from my life experience the majority of the “WTF are you thinking” moments involving firearms have mostly been non LEO. If that even means anything.

[jbolton]

Bottom line is this.

F&G code states when engaged in hunting and traveling in a vehicle your hunting firearm shall not be loaded. Loaded mag is legal. Bullet in a firing position is not legal. The fact that the op states an I quote "even after I badged him" is just arrogant. You broke the law and deserve the ticket that you received.

It's the same as if you were bow hunting during bow season only, and had a concealed pistol. You would be breaking the law, and would deserve the ticket that you would get. Being a leo has nothing to do with it.

[mej16489]

It's the same as if you were bow hunting during bow season only, and had a concealed pistol. You would be breaking the law, and would deserve the ticket that you would get. Being a leo has nothing to do with it.

For the purposes of this discussion, it might have everything to do with it per the Federal Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act (LEOSA)

[mej16489]

jdawg, I think your case is going to hinge on the exact specifics of where you were located:

Lifted from wikipedia:

Although the general effect of LEOSA is to override state and local law, this is subject to limitations. LEOSA does not override:

state laws permitting private property owners from limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons on their property (such as public bars, private clubs, and places such as amusement parks)

state laws prohibiting carrying concealed weapons on state or local government property (such as courthouses, schools or parks)

In CA there are no state laws which permit private property owners from prohibiting that I'm aware of...

If you were on state/local owned property - LEOSA might not be in effect...

Then again - LEOSA specifically states that it only doesn't supersede state laws with regard to possession on state/local property

[kermit315]

jdawg, I think your case is going to hinge on the exact specifics of where you were located:

Lifted from wikipedia:


In CA there are no state laws which permit private property owners from prohibiting that I'm aware of...

If you were on state/local owned property - LEOSA might not be in effect...

Then again - LEOSA specifically states that it only doesn't supersede state laws with regard to possession on state/local property

LEOSA specifically calls out concealed weapons as well, and hunting rifles are very rarely concealed. California definitions of what is a concealed weapon might come into play as well.

Tagged to watch.

[Ron-Solo]

Bottom line is this.

F&G code states when engaged in hunting and traveling in a vehicle your hunting firearm shall not be loaded. Loaded mag is legal. Bullet in a firing position is not legal. The fact that the op states an I quote "even after I badged him" is just arrogant. You broke the law and deserve the ticket that you received.

It's the same as if you were bow hunting during bow season only, and had a concealed pistol. You would be breaking the law, and would deserve the ticket that you would get. Being a leo has nothing to do with it.

For the purposes of this discussion, it might have everything to do with it per the Federal Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act (LEOSA)

Jbolton, are you LE? Do you know what the LEOSA is? It is federal law that overrides state law for qualified LEO and Retired LEO, which is why it is appropriate to identify yourself as a LEO.

You are posting in the LAW ENFORCEMENT forum. Please take a moment to review the rules of this forum. It is for LEOs to discuss things amongst themselves, and for non-LEOs to ask questions, in a civil manner.

In my opinion, you are not following the spirit of this forum.

Ron

[jbolton]

Ron-solo.
Having a loaded concealed pistol would not of been a problem unless it was archery season only. Loaded hunting rifle while traveling and engaged in hunting is the problem.

Thanks for your opinion.

[hitman13]

Ron-solo.
Having a loaded concealed pistol would not of been a problem. Loaded hunting rifle while traveling and engaged in hunting is the problem.

Thanks for your opinion.

Bolton:


LEOSA exempts rifles as well as pistols.....


Thanks for YOUR opinion.....