Illegal ar 15s??

[Notorious]

Retired leos, ex leos, and whackers are not allowed to purchase regular caps over ten rounds. Armored car guards can. Even military personnel cannot on private purchases.

Active leos can buy as many as they want while active and keep them after change in status.

[CSACANNONEER]

Retired leos, ex leos, and whackers are not allowed to purchase regular caps over ten rounds. Armored car guards can. Even military personnel cannot on private purchases.

Active leos can buy as many as they want while active and keep them after change in status.

Right, many now non exempt persons were exempt at one point and still legally own mags purchased after the ban. So, pre ban doesn't really mean anything. Also, I do know at least one member here who was never a LEO, armored car gaurd and was not a FFL but, he had a high cap permit and even a DW permit. I know there are others like him. In the end, using "pre-ban" to describe a legal mag seems to imply that "post-ban" mags are not legal unless one IS exempt. This is simply not true. Many so called "post-ban" mags are perfectly legal for currently non exempt people to own if they were exempt when they aquired said mags.

[Notorious]

Actually post ban mags are illegal if acquired by someone who did not acquire them while exempt.

[CSACANNONEER]

Actually post ban mags are illegal if acquired by someone who did not acquire them while exempt.

Yep, that's what I said.

Many so called "post-ban" mags are perfectly legal for currently non exempt people to own if they were exempt when they aquired said mags.

[Notorious]

Which is what I said.

[kemasa]

Actually post ban mags are illegal if acquired by someone who did not acquire them while exempt.

Really? Could you point me to the CA PC which states that the magazines are illegal to possess? They might have received the magazine in a manner which violated the law, but still possession is not illegal. There is an aspect to the law which also could be an issue since what is banned is offering for sale, sale, loan, manufacture, etc., not the possession, and since the law is poorly written other exemptions could be said to apply.

[Notorious]

Which is why I used the word "acquire" which means to get instead of possession which is after the fact, however, if the acquisition is illegal, the possession thereof is also illegal. Can you think of any instance where you can illegally acquire something but legally possess it?

Prosecution practicality and statute of limitation notwithstanding, the law may be poorly written and unenforceable, but we all know what's up.

[kemasa]

You mean like a firearm? You can do a transfer, such as a FTF, and the firearm is not illegal, just the transfer. Perhaps a better example is moving to CA with a handgun and not filling out the required form.

The possession is not illegal, although it seems in the recent changes they added a means to take large capacity magazines. They would need to prove how you illegally got the magazine before they could say that you can't have it, or at least that is how it is supposed to work. There is also the statute of limitations, which could be an issue.

[Notorious]

You mean like a firearm? You can do a transfer, such as a FTF, and the firearm is not illegal, just the transfer. Perhaps a better example is moving to CA with a handgun and not filling out the required form.

The possession is not illegal, although it seems in the recent changes they added a means to take large capacity magazines. They would need to prove how you illegally got the magazine before they could say that you can't have it, or at least that is how it is supposed to work. There is also the statute of limitations, which could be an issue.

The firearm is not illegal, but your possession is illegal, which is what I was talking about. What instance can you think of where a possession is legal when your acquisition was illegal?

[kemasa]

As I understand it, registration is illegal in CA. The current process is not actually registration, although it seems like it.

if you have a firearm which is not registered to you, the police can not just take it away since perhaps you bought it before it was required to go through a dealer. I am not sure that not filling out the paperwork when a person moves to CA means that the firearm is illegal for them to have the firearm.

[Dantedamean]

if your ever not sure in a situation like that his is how you can make the firearm legal for transport based on what you have said (and this is what I would make my friend do):

remove the upper from the lower

remove the mag release
( both of these can stay in the car with your gun but they can not be assembled if it is not a grandfathered rifle )

dissemble the 30 round mags
( again the parts are ok to have you just cant assemble them )

now with the 30 round mags if they don't have a serial number on the bottom of the mag and your buddy is old enough to have had them pre-ban then it will be nearly imposable to prove that they were not here pre-ban ( I could be wrong on that but thats what ive been told by a few LEOs and military family members )

But I personally wouldn't risk it. Next time ask the dude before you go, I always look at my friends guns before I transport them.

[kasusbelli]

Yeah, those 30 round mags are easy to buy legally. They sell them online as a parts kit, you keep it as parts when you travel to another state then you can assemble and compete or just have fun. You assemble them in CA and get pulled over or caught in any way, you's in trouble.

He may of bought the mags as a parts kit, since the rest of the gun was new, I would assume the mags are fairly new as well.

And you can buy the standard mag release legally as well, lower parts kits come with them. I'm sure your friend acquired everything legally, it's just when he put everything together he broke the law.

[iBkickinit]

There are a number of unlikely or uncommon methods by which you could own 'post-ban' magazines. Large Capacity Magazine Permit, found them, company mistakenly shipped you the wrong magazines, someone gave them to you. Don't forget the 3-year statute of limitations everyone here hates so much...

Bottom line: No law against possession or buying.

[Notorious]

No law against possession unless you got them illegally or assembled them illegally.

[tbhracing]

Is your friend LEO?