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  • #16
    retired
    Administrator
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Sep 2007
    • 9411

    Originally posted by tanksoldier
    Lawyer: If you didn't intend to kill somebody, why were you shooting at them? If you didn't intend to kill, why were you employing deadly force? Did you kill RayRay by accident?
    I don't know if you have any law enforcement experience in the civilian area, but stopping the thread is exactly what we were taught while in the academy. If stopping the threat took 10 rounds; so be it. If the suspect died as a result of us trying to stop the threat, that doesn't mean we were trying to kill that suspect; only stop the threat.

    I have been retired for almost 9yrs. now, but I would surmise that is still taught in le academies. You would never want to testify in court that you were trying to kill a suspect as that could and probably would have a negative impact with the jury.

    To answer the question you have a lawyer asking above, the proper response would be, "I was in fear of my life or an innocent person's life and I shot the suspect to stop the threat."

    Deadly force may be employed if it is reasonable force and the totality of the circumstances warrant it. Employing deadly force does not mean one was trying to kill someone.

    Monk, you were correct; you are not shooting the suspect in an attempt to kill them, you are doing so to stop the threat. The fact the shooting may result in the suspect's death does not mean you intended to kill them despite what tanksoldier may believe.

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    • #17
      Ron-Solo
      In Memoriam
      • Jan 2009
      • 8581

      00 Buck........FTW
      #4 Buck........FTW x 95%


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      1978-2011

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      • #18
        explorerdude
        Member
        • Jul 2010
        • 394

        thank you all for the input.
        i think 00 buck and 4buck are good. with a few slugs in a shotshell belt for "just in case".

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        • #19
          erik_26
          Veteran Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 3907

          Check this stuff out. It is the Winchester PDX1 for Shotguns. Good stuff.

          Winchester's shotshell ammo delivers the ultimate in perfomance and versatility for shotguns in a variety of shotgun gauge sizes and lengths including shotgun slugs and more than 110 lead-free shotshell options.
          Signature required

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          • #20
            Bobby Ricigliano
            Mit Gott und Mauser
            CGN Contributor
            • Feb 2011
            • 17439

            The Federal 00Buck low recoil is an excellent round and very mild to shoot as well. the Knoxx recoil stock also makes the 12gauge much more pleasant to shoot than the older 00Buck rounds and wood stock.

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            • #21
              negolien
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 4829

              blanks...
              "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

              George Orwell

              http://www.AnySoldier.com

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              • #22
                kermit315
                Calguns Addict
                • Sep 2007
                • 5928

                Originally posted by retired
                I don't know if you have any law enforcement experience in the civilian area, but stopping the thread is exactly what we were taught while in the academy. If stopping the threat took 10 rounds; so be it. If the suspect died as a result of us trying to stop the threat, that doesn't mean we were trying to kill that suspect; only stop the threat.

                I have been retired for almost 9yrs. now, but I would surmise that is still taught in le academies. You would never want to testify in court that you were trying to kill a suspect as that could and probably would have a negative impact with the jury.

                To answer the question you have a lawyer asking above, the proper response would be, "I was in fear of my life or an innocent person's life and I shot the suspect to stop the threat."

                Deadly force may be employed if it is reasonable force and the totality of the circumstances warrant it. Employing deadly force does not mean one was trying to kill someone.

                Monk, you were correct; you are not shooting the suspect in an attempt to kill them, you are doing so to stop the threat. The fact the shooting may result in the suspect's death does not mean you intended to kill them despite what tanksoldier may believe.
                As of last fall, at least here in Florida, yes they still teach shoot to stop the threat.

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                • #23
                  monk
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 4454

                  I've heard good things about Aguila shells. They may be something I get.


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                  A tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny.

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                  • #24
                    biochembruin
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 822

                    Originally posted by monk
                    I've heard good things about Aguila shells. They may be something I get.
                    Do you mean the Aguila mini shells? They don't cycle reliably.
                    The thing to do, my friends, is to admit to your fate with Christian resignation and live bravely until your appointed time." - Lee Marvin, "The Spikes Gang"

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                    • #25
                      1911su16b870
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 7654

                      The Federal Flite Control 00 buck extends your standard 870 pattern out to 25 yards with all shot on a B-27. It really works.
                      "Bruen, the Bruen opinion, I believe, discarded the intermediate scrutiny test that I also thought was not very useful; and has, instead, replaced it with a text history and tradition test." Judge Benitez 12-12-2022

                      NRA Endowment Life Member, CRPA Life Member
                      GLOCK (Gen 1-5, G42/43), Colt AR15/M16/M4, Sig P320, Sig P365, Beretta 90 series, Remington 870, HK UMP Factory Armorer
                      Remington Nylon, 1911, HK, Ruger, Hudson H9 Armorer, just for fun!
                      I instruct it if you shoot it.

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                      • #26
                        SoCalDep
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 815

                        Originally posted by 1911su16b870
                        The Federal Flite Control 00 buck extends your standard 870 pattern out to 25 yards with all shot on a B-27. It really works.
                        Yes it does... That's why it's the new LASD duty round. No more #4 buck.

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                        • #27
                          Ron-Solo
                          In Memoriam
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 8581

                          Sweet. I need to make a run to BC Range and get my annual allotment of ammo. Too bad they only let you buy two boxes of each caliber now.
                          LASD Retired
                          1978-2011

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