Here we go again !!

[Notorious]

How many of us have met people, got along fine, they thought you were the coolest dude ever, then find out you're a cop, and then it's a 180 just because you're a cop or they act like you're beneath them all of a sudden.

Douchebags, their loss.

[Omil]

I would be more than happy to respond. Thanks very much for being so reasonable. It's very refreshing!

1). Any good street cop is not going to waste his time and effort on a normal, law abiding citizen who just made a mistake. Career criminals and such are who we REALLY want. Not your typical 'calguns' keyboard commando.....(No offense).

2). Most street cops are gun folk too! If I pull over a regular citizen and he tells me he has a gun in the car, stanby 'cuz we are gonna talk guns for a few minutes !!

3). The vast majority of the scenarios discussed, the word games etc. are just not realistic. Cops are not going to waste their time with such buffoonery. Conducting a thorough investigation from scratch takes a lot of work ! It's just not worth the effort on a regular citizen.

4). If you're a regular citizen and you got stopped for a traffic violation and you have all your paperwork and your calm and courteous, you'll be fine. Don't sweat it.

5). Most cops could care less what you say or how you answer questions. It's your body language and overall demeanor during the contact that we key on. The non-verbals speak volumes. You can't fudge that.

6). Bottom line, good street cops are not out to hassle, law abiding citizens, let alone gun owners. There's no sport in it and its too damn hard for little reward.

Hope this helps and please feel free to ask anything you like..............

+1, thanks!

[Falconis]

How many of us have met people, got along fine, they thought you were the coolest dude ever, then find out you're a cop, and then it's a 180 just because you're a cop or they act like you're beneath them all of a sudden.

Douchebags, their loss.

That's why I learned to let the other guy talk first. Listen long enough, they drop subtle hints.

[Notorious]

That's why I learned to let the other guy talk first. Listen long enough, they drop subtle hints.

Yep, I love talking to people, get them comfortable, then listen to them drop f-bombs all day long about the police and how cops are losers and if a cop was around, he would kick the cop's ***... then watch my friends die from holding back their laughter as I egg the idiot on by agreeing with him to the point that the idiot is yelling at the top of his lungs, "**** DA POLICE!" in the presence of me and my cop buddies.

[Librarian]

Thread noted in the OP now closed.

[biochembruin]

Now this one on police planting evidence: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...54#post7799954

Seems to never end. I get tired of it at work, and when I come home to read about guns, I see more of it.

[SVT-40]

Actually I find them very informative. It flushes out the true haters and they show their true stripes.

Plus it's often very amusing. Some of the outrageous statements are priceless.

[Kerplow]

What about this one. "More info on the militarization of police". http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=516838. Talk about making Calguns look like a bunch of paranoid nuts. Some of these post have me questioning my position on gun restrictions. After reading this thread, I'm starting to lean toward some type of psych screening for firearms ownership, or at least for a Concealed Carry License.

LOL, there's a lot more than just the "how to deal with an LEO" threads that make calgunners look like paranoid nuts. Though, I'm sure you view me as one of the paranoid nuts, I have noticed that the general aura of the OTL fuels paranoia and what may well be construed as fear mongering. I don't like arguing with people over the internets, but sometimes we all get sucked into such BS arguments it makes us look like the (Al) Bundy family. Oh, and for the record, most of my encounters with LE have been pleasant, there has been the occasional dick, but that has shown to be the minority. When i get pulled over or have an encounter with an LEO, I don't give the LEO a hard time and I don't play games, i just want to get on with my day.

I must admit, it is quite disheartening to see LEO's here talking about support for more gun control, I hope you were being somewhat facetious.

[GM4spd]

[MaHoTex]

Non-LEO here...

For the past couple of years I have read some of the "Dont talk to cops", "They will plant evidence", "Militarization" threads and now I do not think I would recommend the forum to others because they would then think I am a tinfoil hat wearing gun freak.

I respect the opinions of you LEO folks here and the advice you guys give.

The fact is a lot of the, uhm, strange people, are just wearing their "internet muscles" and are just all talk.

[Falconis]

LOL, there's a lot more than just the "how to deal with an LEO" threads that make calgunners look like paranoid nuts. Though, I'm sure you view me as one of the paranoid nuts, I have noticed that the general aura of the OTL fuels paranoia and what may well be construed as fear mongering. I don't like arguing with people over the internets, but sometimes we all get sucked into such BS arguments it makes us look like the (Al) Bundy family. Oh, and for the record, most of my encounters with LE have been pleasant, there has been the occasional dick, but that has shown to be the minority. When i get pulled over or have an encounter with an LEO, I don't give the LEO a hard time and I don't play games, i just want to get on with my day.

I must admit, it is quite disheartening to see LEO's here talking about support for more gun control, I hope you were being somewhat facetious.

Actually no. Like I said, after reading some of the crap that's been posted here for the last 2 years, I am beginning to think I want lots of testing for ownership and the ability to carry as well as a background check and moral character assesment. Like I said before, I'm not there yet, but some of the idiots that post all the non-sense do not make it easy to be all pro gun. Between all the nitwits that boast the false bravado about violently confronting cops and everyone that wants to play word games, I see why the bradies have an easy time stoking the fears of the mass public. Those posts just confirm it.

[Falconis]

Non-LEO here...

For the past couple of years I have read some of the "Dont talk to cops", "They will plant evidence", "Militarization" threads and now I do not think I would recommend the forum to others because they would then think I am a tinfoil hat wearing gun freak.

I respect the opinions of you LEO folks here and the advice you guys give.

The fact is a lot of the, uhm, strange people, are just wearing their "internet muscles" and are just all talk.

DING DING DING. Problem becomes when they substitute their internet muscle with a firearm. Then we, as gun owners, all look bad.

[fullrearview]

Yep, I love talking to people, get them comfortable, then listen to them drop f-bombs all day long about the police and how cops are losers and if a cop was around, he would kick the cop's ***... then watch my friends die from holding back their laughter as I egg the idiot on by agreeing with him to the point that the idiot is yelling at the top of his lungs, "**** DA POLICE!" in the presence of me and my cop buddies.

That is fun!

[bubbapug1]

Two things...

I always worry when transporting my Ma Duece to the range that I will be stopped, and since the duece is hard to hide, the question will come up...do you have a gun in the car. I am not worried about getting arrested or hassled, but I know any LEO who is a gun nut may want to spend a few moments looking over the gun, and I will miss my chance to get a choice bench at Angeles. If I get stopped I hope its one the way home when I don't want to beat the crowd and the wind.

Second thing. Over the past two years I have seen much flaming of LEO on the board, and its more than a bit crazy. I did myself however post an inflamatory thread labeled "Whatever happened to "come out with you hands up?"" over the Arizona shooting. I was a bit shocked at the video I saw of the shooting and the subsequent developments which indicated the victim and his house was clean of contraband. Of course he had a gun in hand when the police entered the house...He was after all a marine who served a few tours in Iraq or Afganistan. What his intent was with the AR I cannot say, and surely don't, at this moment in time, want to second guess anyone who would have said they felt threatened by such an encounter.

The arrest raid looked a bit dis-organized, and had the victim intended to shoot I am sure people standing in one line ready to enter a house would have offered him ample prime targets. There is some speculation that the shooting started when an officer tripped on the door threshold and had a negligent discharge.

Two trains of thought ran through my mind. What was the victim thinking when his door was being jacked open? Did he have ample time to answer the door? (what is LEO SOP in this area?) Was he aware it was the police? (the siren sounded like a car alarm) Why didn't he shoot if he was as stated..a drug gang hit man? Why was he not apprehended at a spot where kids were not put in danger?

Than the second line of thought...the LEO line. How can we take this guy down safely and not lose any officers? Would the victim try to destroy evidence? How much force is required? What tactics should be employed? Are there any non-combatants who may wander into the line of fire? Is he armed? Will he shoot?

Frankly I don't know the empirical data on what is and is not the safest way to apprehend a criminal, especially one who is well versed in firearms. I don't know the reasons why you would serve someone at his house with kids rather than at work in a parking lot, or on his driveway? Is it to gain evidence during the serving of the warrant? is it to protect the general public?

One thing I do know is the video looked very messy, and it seemed due process was foreshortened that day. True, he had a gun..that alone would justify the shooting, even just upon sight of him as an AR versus a pistol is really a mismatch...but I just wonder if he knew who was at the door, and if he didn't know, would he have acted differently had he known.

I would be curious to hear how some LEO viewed this incident, and what your impressions were of the execution of the raid and subsequent blow back from the shooting.

I really don't want to add to the already obvious anti LEO sentiments on Calguns, and that was not my intent, I was just blown away by what I saw, and the way it was pitched in the media...which I know can skew things very badly both ways.

[RazzB7]

I'm not law enforcement.

Most of these guys are keyboard commandos. They would never spout the drivel to an actual real-life law enforcement officer if it was a face-to-face encounter. I think it's ridiculous to even spout it here on these forums.

I got pulled over for speeding a couple weeks ago towing a 24 foot trailer (I was moving).
He asked the typical question "Do you have any drugs or weapons in the vehicle?"

I said "There are 14 long guns and 6 handguns in a safe in the trailer with the rest of my stuff."

Officer: "Why are you carrying that many weapons?"

Me: "I'm in the process of moving. They're all unloaded and they're in a locked safe inside of a locked trailer"

He gave me the speeding ticket I deserved and didn't even ask to look inside the trailer.

Did I give up my 4th amendment rights? Maybe.
Were my 4th amendment rights violated? Defiinitely not.
Was I treated professionally and with courtesy? Definitely yes.

I made a choice based on a few seconds worth of thought to be honest with the officer because to do anything less could have caused me further delay and hassle.

I could have avoided the whole thing by driving slower.