Here we go again !!

[lavgrunt]

YUP !!!!

Another one of 'those' threads.........Where do these guys come up with this stuff ???!!!!


"Do you have any drugs or weapons in the car?"

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=518329

[Bert Gamble]

I saw the thread and the answers seemed like they could cause more problems than I would ever want. I did not post anything to that thread, nor would I have brought the subject up in this forum. But, since you brought it up I can ask:

What do police think when people answer the way that is espoused in the other thread?

Do you respect someone who answers honestly and offers you the opportunity to verify that the gun is locked and unloaded, or do you see it as an excuse to hold someone for hours while you dig up any dirt you can?

I have never been asked the question before but I know that if I was, and I had a gun in the car, I would answer honestly since I have nothing to hide and I believe that it isn't giving up my rights to let you look. I like it that you catch bad guys this way. Gives them less chance to hurt me.

A lot of people would disagree with me on this. Probably why I didn't post in the other thread. I hate getting yelled at, even in print.

I am very interested in what police think on the subject, and I am glad that lavgrunt broached the subject.

[lavgrunt]

I would be more than happy to respond. Thanks very much for being so reasonable. It's very refreshing!

1). Any good street cop is not going to waste his time and effort on a normal, law abiding citizen who just made a mistake. Career criminals and such are who we REALLY want. Not your typical 'calguns' keyboard commando.....(No offense).

2). Most street cops are gun folk too! If I pull over a regular citizen and he tells me he has a gun in the car, stanby 'cuz we are gonna talk guns for a few minutes !!

3). The vast majority of the scenarios discussed, the word games etc. are just not realistic. Cops are not going to waste their time with such buffoonery. Conducting a thorough investigation from scratch takes a lot of work ! It's just not worth the effort on a regular citizen.

4). If you're a regular citizen and you got stopped for a traffic violation and you have all your paperwork and your calm and courteous, you'll be fine. Don't sweat it.

5). Most cops could care less what you say or how you answer questions. It's your body language and overall demeanor during the contact that we key on. The non-verbals speak volumes. You can't fudge that.

6). Bottom line, good street cops are not out to hassle, law abiding citizens, let alone gun owners. There's no sport in it and its too damn hard for little reward.

Hope this helps and please feel free to ask anything you like..............

[Bert Gamble]

Thanks lavgrunt. I kind of figured that was how it is.

[Falconis]

I pretty much expect this kind of crap from some of the registered members here. That's the unfortunate thing. What I actually wonder is how many and which specific individuals are the main drivers of the anti cop hysteria. I don't wonder that much, but ehhh it's something to do while I click out of the topic I know a few names now, but there always seems to be one or 2 new ones every week.

[TheExpertish]

Yeah, when someone has the "Us vs. Them" mentality, there really is no cure. As great of a response as your is, it will have little effect.

[BigDogatPlay]

I made a couple of reasoned responses in that thread.... and got crapped on. But, darned if one member didn't actually get my back at one point. That sure made the soreness go away.

There's plenty of good folks out there, and there are a vocal few who just don't want to understand or learn. Kind of like the world as LEOs experience every day they go to work.

[rplusplus]

I live my life honestly... and for that I don't "worry that THEY are out to get me".

Ask me a question... you get the truth.

Do you have any guns or drugs in the car? I am going to assume you mean illegal narcotics which will always be NO. If I have my locked and unloaded gun in the trunk I will answer yes. A few minutes of my time I don't mind... I figure the police are out to do a job and that is to keep the peace.

Then again... I haven't been pulled over since I was a teenager many moons ago.

As for some threads on this board... choosing to not argue a point is making my point sometimes.

[NytWolf]

5). Most cops could care less what you say or how you answer questions. It's your body language and overall demeanor during the contact that we key on. The non-verbals speak volumes. You can't fudge that.

Yep. True dat!

[TRICKSTER]

What about this one. "More info on the militarization of police". http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=516838. Talk about making Calguns look like a bunch of paranoid nuts. Some of these post have me questioning my position on gun restrictions. After reading this thread, I'm starting to lean toward some type of psych screening for firearms ownership, or at least for a Concealed Carry License.

[oddjob]

Those kind of threads/comments do make good food for the Brady type crowd.

[BigDogatPlay]

What about this one. "More info on the militarization of police". http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=516838.

I haven't even opened that thread. The title alone steers me clear.

[Swatter911]

What about this one. "More info on the militarization of police". http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=516838. Talk about making Calguns look like a bunch of paranoid nuts. Some of these post have me questioning my position on gun restrictions. After reading this thread, I'm starting to lean toward some type of psych screening for firearms ownership, or at least for a Concealed Carry License.

It's like Calguns was invaded by Alex Jones clones.

[Falconis]

What about this one. "More info on the militarization of police". http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=516838. Talk about making Calguns look like a bunch of paranoid nuts. Some of these post have me questioning my position on gun restrictions. After reading this thread, I'm starting to lean toward some type of psych screening for firearms ownership, or at least for a Concealed Carry License.

I hate to admit it, but after actively posting and reading this board for the last 2 years or so, I can see why some of my anti gun co workers think the way they do. I'm also leaning towards lots of testing for ownership and carrying. I'm not there yet, but some of these knuckleheads are not making it easy.

[softscrubb]

I posted a few times in the first thread, but won't post in the second one.

We have all dealt with the anti-cop people in the field and it justs gets worse on an internet forum.

The 'us-vs-them' argument or claim, in my opinion, is less a concept perpetuated by the cops then from civilians.

It's too bad that some on this board have gotten so paranoid and anti-government that they see a conspiracy in everything...