"Are Cops Racist?"

[ap3572001]

Not to run off topic, but EVERY time I read one of your posts - which are generally precluded with "I am LE," I wonder to myself how you write reports or communicate adequately. "Prejustice" is just the tip of the iceberg. I've had to literally break down some of your sentences to try and make sense of them, and most of the time I'm unsuccessful.

What type of LE work do you do?

Sorry. Droid X key board sucks. ....Also I can communicate very well. What type of LE work? Warrants, range, task force (overtime). Thanks for watching my spelling

[oaklander]

Bottom line, it's based on class - is subconcious, etc.

Everyone has it - xenophobia is evolutionary. I just ignore it when it pops into my head. Most LE I have met are that way.

I don't know how to say it - but it is more MORAL to admit a problem than to deny it. I admit my issues, and I just work on them, like a real person. I do not deny them. Deception of self hurts.


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[bohoki]

after watching 20 years or so of "cops" and a seasons of "bait car" a person my notice a trend

[oaklander]

after watching 20 years or so of "cops" and a seasons of "bait car" a person my notice a trend

That more crime occurs in cities?

DUDE, parse out the math. It is not related to race. It is related to the fact that filming in citified areas makes a better a-reel.


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[oaklander]

There are statistics, but they oppose what you see on TV. It IS a class issue.


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[Databyter]

My experience has been that the party that makes the racism complaint is usually the true racist.

+1

There are of course exceptions, but a good rule of thumb.

[jpham96]

I don't think cops are racist. If you look at the stats there are more minorities in jail/prison but I think it has to do with their standing in society. poverty, lower working class, living in inner cities. Where as white people are mostly upper middle class living in suburbs. Then you look at lower class crimes = violent/property crime, where as upper class crimes are white collar crimes.
Officers are definitely more able to see and catch a person committing a violent or property crime than a white collar criminal. IDK if any of you LEO have ever cruised down the street and saw a guy money laundering or committing credit card fraud...
I don't know if I wrote me thoughts down clearly let me know if I didn't.

[Ksmash01]

I won't say that all of any group of people is racist. I will say that justice in this country tends to be skewed towards certain types of people. Race isn't always the catalyst for some of the mistreatment, but does exist as a factor in some cases. I think that the government entities responsible for providing justice for it's citizens need an overhaul. There are too may elitist people working for LEO organizations, not that these people out number Good LEOs, but there are enough of them to deny exposure to the good, very non-racist things that happen regularly.

I placed a call to OPD when two guys were passed out stoned(heroin) in front of my home, blocking my driveway(This was a few years back). The two(white) officers, one born and raised in Oakland, took care of the situation. After the offender's vehicle was towed, I told the officers that I was concerned that they may have tossed their needles in the bushes or something, and they agreed to look on behalf of the children that live on my street. We were successful. There were 0 white families on my street. I doubt race was an issue for those cops, considering their actions were to the benefit of myself, and the other kids/families on my street.

If more stories like these came out into public view, there would be less attention to whether or not "cops are racist". However, when, people like Troy Davis are wrongly executed, and things like this pop up in the media:



I start questioning whether or not the problem is simply race, class, or a mixture of both in varying proportions.


ETA: The above photo contrasting the two sentences doesn't illustrated the treatment of those individuals by LEO's, but rather an overall picture of the shape of "Justice" in our country.

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

I won't say that all of any group of people is racist. I will say that justice in this country tends to be skewed towards certain types of people. Race isn't always the catalyst for some of the mistreatment, but does exist as a factor in some cases. I think that the government entities responsible for providing justice for it's citizens need an overhaul. There are too may elitist people working for LEO organizations, not that these people out number Good LEOs, but there are enough of them to deny exposure to the good, very non-racist things that happen regularly.

I placed a call to OPD when two guys were passed out stoned(heroin) in front of my home, blocking my driveway(This was a few years back). The two(white) officers, one born and raised in Oakland, took care of the situation. After the offender's vehicle was towed, I told the officers that I was concerned that they may have tossed their needles in the bushes or something, and they agreed to look on behalf of the children that live on my street. We were successful. There were 0 white families on my street. I doubt race was an issue for those cops, considering their actions were to the benefit of myself, and the other kids/families on my street.

If more stories like these came out into public view, there would be less attention to whether or not "cops are racist". However, when, people like Troy Davis are wrongly executed, and things like this pop up in the media:



I start questioning whether or not the problem is simply race, class, or a mixture of both in varying proportions.


ETA: The above photo contrasting the two sentences doesn't illustrated the treatment of those individuals by LEO's, but rather an overall picture of the shape of "Justice" in our country.

Your example comparing corporate fraud to robbery with a simulated weapon is not applicable to the topic. You are comparing a violent crime to a non-violent crime. The amount of the loss doesn't matter because they are completely different crimes.

[yzErnie]

ETA: The above photo contrasting the two sentences doesn't illustrated the treatment of those individuals by LEO's, but rather an overall picture of the shape of "Justice" in our country.

Maybe you could move this ETA to the 1st paragraph in that post where the innuendo is that law enforcement is not doing their job.

One must remember that a law enforcement officer does not, nor can not, sentence a criminal after being found guilty as that is the job of a magistrate. Yet a magistrate is immune, yes...immune, from reproach and law suits when mistakes are made. Some of the most arrogant people I have ever met in my career are attorneys and magistrates.

We had a local judge who, IMO, aided and abetted the murder of a young child by refusing to issue a restraining order to the ex-wife of this nut case. The victim and his mother tried to get the order issued and they had more than enough due cause yet the judge refused to issue it to her while calling her liar in open court. A couple hours after they left the courthouse the suspect murdered the child and then committed suicide. A couple weeks later the judge was "aquitted" after a judicial review. I use the term "aquitted" because I do not recall the legal term it is called.

[Steveo8]

Maybe you could move this ETA to the 1st paragraph in that post where the innuendo is that law enforcement is not doing their job.

One must remember that a law enforcement officer does not, nor can not, sentence a criminal after being found guilty as that is the job of a magistrate. Yet a magistrate is immune, yes...immune, from reproach and law suits when mistakes are made. Some of the most arrogant people I have ever met in my career are attorneys and magistrates.

We had a local judge who, IMO, aided and abetted the murder of a young child by refusing to issue a restraining order to the ex-wife of this nut case. The victim and his mother tried to get the order issued and they had more than enough due cause yet the judge refused to issue it to her while calling her liar in open court. A couple hours after they left the courthouse the suspect murdered the child and then committed suicide. A couple weeks later the judge was "aquitted" after a judicial review. I use the term "aquitted" because I do not recall the legal term it is called.

And If I remember correctly he was then "retired" from the bench by the voters.

[oaklander]

Your example comparing corporate fraud to robbery with a simulated weapon is not applicable to the topic. You are comparing a violent crime to a non-violent crime. The amount of the loss doesn't matter because they are completely different crimes.

No, that is his point - think it through.


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[yzErnie]

And If I remember correctly he was then "retired" from the bench by the voters.

He wasn't "retired" by the voters, he was outed by a majority vote...meaning he was not reelected to his position of Superior Court Judge...IMO as it should have been for his lackluster performance. People are getting tired of all this nonsense that is happening on the benches and in our government and are making an impact. Thankfully!!

[Steveo8]

He wasn't "retired" by the voters, he was outed by a majority vote...meaning he was not reelected to his position of Superior Court Judge...IMO as it should have been for his lackluster performance. People are getting tired of all this nonsense that is happening on the benches and in our government and are making an impact. Thankfully!!

Yes, I was just trying to be nice to hide my disdain for the individual. IMO he should have received the same life sentence that he subjected that child to.