LAPD switching to glock 17?

[cc56]

Is this FUD, but I heard new LAPD recruits were getting issued glock 17's instead of glock 22? Apparently too many problems with the 22's.

[biochembruin]

It is true LAPD recruits are now being issued Glock 17's. There were no issues with the 3rd generation Glock 22's, but the 4th generation Glock 22's they tested had numerous problems. One of the contributing factors for the switch was the cost of ammunition. LAPD has serious budget problems, and are trying to avoid layoffs.

They're also seriously considering issuing the Smith and Wesson M&P to recruits once the Glock contract is up. The department has always had a strong relationship with S&W. Bratton was the chief who made the change to Glock, and the new chief seems to be open to allowing a larger variety of weapons.

[tyrist]

The high pressure of the .40 SW was destroying the firing pins of the G22 causing a massive amount of light strikes/failure to fire. The +P ammo that was used in the G21 caused the same thing. Glock won't fix it so they switch and are looking at going to another platform entirely.

[TrailerparkTrash]

The high pressure of the .40 SW was destroying the firing pins of the G22 causing a massive amount of light strikes/failure to fire. The +P ammo that was used in the G21 caused the same thing. Glock won't fix it so they switch and are looking at going to another platform entirely.

I wonder why the Glock 20 (10mm) can handle full power loads and never fails, but the strikers in the 40's and 45's seem to fail????? That doesnt' make sense.

I do know that when San Bernardino Sheriff was testing the G21 (.45) years ago, almost 85% of their test guns had serious failures at the range. (That info from my brother who was a weapons training deputy at the time). Glock finally sent out a rep from the company, took the test guns back and apparently made a fix. Since then, there hasn't been any issues over the years.

Personally, going back to a 9mm from a .40 cal, doesn't really make any difference. The Winchester bullet that both LAPD and LASD use in the 9mm performs BETTER than the same brand/model 230gr .45ACP bullet authorized by both dept's. Don't ask me why, but both departments claim that statement based on real life shootings into human scum.

Without starting a war, the difference between a 9 vs. .40 with the awesome ammo used now is really no different. The only better thing with the 9 is that lower recoil and higher bullet capacity available by a couple of rounds.

The LASD actually handed out two academy classes the new S&W m&p models. They were in the process of replacing old Beretta 92 series guns, however the dept. stopped issuing the new S&W's because of budget problems. Only a couple of academy recruits lucked out and the weapons training staff all now carry the S&W's.

Anytime someone gets a new gun issued to them for free, is a really good thing!

[SoCalDep]

The LASD actually handed out two academy classes the new S&W m&p models. They were in the process of replacing old Beretta 92 series guns, however the dept. stopped issuing the new S&W's because of budget problems. Only a couple of academy recruits lucked out and the weapons training staff all now carry the S&W's.

Anytime someone gets a new gun issued to them for free, is a really good thing!

LASD is currently issuing the M&P9 to all new recruits. I know the entire current academy has them, with X300s. There are no plans to transition deputy personnel already qualified on the Beretta, unless you want to buy your own. (I did)

[oddjob]

LAPD issues Gen 4 Glock 17's or Gen 3's??

[tyrist]

LAPD issues Gen 4 Glock 17's or Gen 3's??

Gen 4 glocks are not approved. LAPD will be making a decision on a new firearm in the very near future.

[tyrist]

I wonder why the Glock 20 (10mm) can handle full power loads and never fails, but the strikers in the 40's and 45's seem to fail????? That doesnt' make sense.

The glock 20 is not commonly used so problems would be less apparent. I can say for fact the the .40 S&W glocks have major issues. I have seen the G21 light strike way too many times.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I wonder why the Glock 20 (10mm) can handle full power loads and never fails, but the strikers in the 40's and 45's seem to fail????? That doesnt' make sense.

I do know that when San Bernardino Sheriff was testing the G21 (.45) years ago, almost 85% of their test guns had serious failures at the range. (That info from my brother who was a weapons training deputy at the time). Glock finally sent out a rep from the company, took the test guns back and apparently made a fix. Since then, there hasn't been any issues over the years.

Personally, going back to a 9mm from a .40 cal, doesn't really make any difference. The Winchester bullet that both LAPD and LASD use in the 9mm performs BETTER than the same brand/model 230gr .45ACP bullet authorized by both dept's. Don't ask me why, but both departments claim that statement based on real life shootings into human scum.

Without starting a war, the difference between a 9 vs. .40 with the awesome ammo used now is really no different. The only better thing with the 9 is that lower recoil and higher bullet capacity available by a couple of rounds.

The LASD actually handed out two academy classes the new S&W m&p models. They were in the process of replacing old Beretta 92 series guns, however the dept. stopped issuing the new S&W's because of budget problems. Only a couple of academy recruits lucked out and the weapons training staff all now carry the S&W's.

Anytime someone gets a new gun issued to them for free, is a really good thing!

I have gotten the same info from the range staff. They all seem to like and carry the M&P. The early extractor issues with the M&P seem to be water under the bridge and the Smith now has the full blessing from the powers that be. I've been carrying the M&P now for a while with a TLR-1 and I swear by it. The M&PC makes a great BUG too with the right pocket holster once you get used to it.

I am figuring that at some point the Dept will allow us to buy out our issued Berettas. Mine is beat all to hell but I am pretty attached to it and it has had zero malfunctions or issues EVER.

[Gnome]

Let me start by saying, I don't own a Glock. With that said, I am more than a little suprised to hear about Glock having these issues. I have always heard nothing but good things about Glock. You know, the usual stuff about reliability. All one has to do is search our own Calguns forum and you will find countless posts about how great Glock is.

Is this problem a rare occurance in Glock, or more common than they would like to let on? I've been thinking about buying a Glock, lately. This is based largely on all the positive things said about it reliability. I'm not a big fan of the trigger on it, but was willing to "learn to like it" if it was that great of a gun.

But with this info, I'm wondering if the M&P in 9mm wouldn't be a better option. Our range guys seem to love it. They have told me all of the horrible things they do to them, trying to induce some type of failure. Horrible! I cringe at some of the things they have done to the M&P. No failures yet (except for the first batch (outsourced parts) they received).


Hope this wasn't too much of a thread jack. Lol...

[ap3572001]

Is this FUD, but I heard new LAPD recruits were getting issued glock 17's instead of glock 22? Apparently too many problems with the 22's.

I have been issued Glock 17 in early 1994. Got issued another one (GEN3) several years ago. Still have it on my hip.
I also own a pair of Glock 34's. (Gen 3).

I run FED HST 147's in all of them and shoot them a lot.

NEVER HAD ISSUES.

I owned a Glock 21 (GEN2) and Glock 30 GEN3. Sold them both after having reliability issues with both.

I carry a GEN3 G23 off duty and have no problems. (shoot it a lot too)

From what I have seen, Glock is at its BEST in 9mm with full size and mid size models. 34,17,19.

But since HUGE portion of American LEO's are issued a G22, I can really see how it can be so bad.

[tyrist]

Let me start by saying, I don't own a Glock. With that said, I am more than a little suprised to hear about Glock having these issues. I have always heard nothing but good things about Glock. You know, the usual stuff about reliability. All one has to do is search our own Calguns forum and you will find countless posts about how great Glock is.

Is this problem a rare occurance in Glock, or more common than they would like to let on? I've been thinking about buying a Glock, lately. This is based largely on all the positive things said about it reliability. I'm not a big fan of the trigger on it, but was willing to "learn to like it" if it was that great of a gun.

But with this info, I'm wondering if the M&P in 9mm wouldn't be a better option. Our range guys seem to love it. They have told me all of the horrible things they do to them, trying to induce some type of failure. Horrible! I cringe at some of the things they have done to the M&P. No failures yet (except for the first batch (outsourced parts) they received).


Hope this wasn't too much of a thread jack. Lol...

Just remember LEA are going to find issues with firearms before the general public. They put a large amount into service, test them all the time, and most importantly keep track of the issues. Joe blow with his glock may shoot it at the range for years then have a problem get it fixed and not know any better. A Police Officer will use and carry his and have a problem and it's the third one in a week so an investigation is launched.

[Gnome]

Just remember LEA are going to find issues with firearms before the general public. They put a large amount into service, test them all the time, and most importantly keep track of the issues. Joe blow with his glock may shoot it at the range for years then have a problem get it fixed and not know any better. A Police Officer will use and carry his and have a problem and it's the third one in a week so an investigation is launched.

This is true. I know we shoot a lot. I hesitate in saying that LE shoots more than the average citizen, because there are some sensitive people on this board who would probably disagree, and get upset. I did not want to start another debate/war. Lol.

However, I shoot my on duty gun (Beretta 92) quite a bit. After thousands of rounds, it finally took a dump on me. I was at a live fire training class when it decided it did not want to play anymore. I'm not sure what specific piece failed, but I think it might be the trigger reset spring/pin..? When I fired the given course of fire, I would have to manually reset my trigger back to DA, and push a piece on the left hand side, back in. I hope this makes sense. Lol.

I took it to my dept. Armorer, told him what happened, and he knew exactly what it was. He asked how long I had been on, and how much I shot the gun. He had it fixed in about 5 mins. In and out. He said the spring had worn out and snapped. Not common, but known to happen with high round counts.

All I could think of was "What if this happened while I was in a gunfight?"

[ap3572001]

Just remember LEA are going to find issues with firearms before the general public. They put a large amount into service, test them all the time, and most importantly keep track of the issues. Joe blow with his glock may shoot it at the range for years then have a problem get it fixed and not know any better. A Police Officer will use and carry his and have a problem and it's the third one in a week so an investigation is launched.

You are right. I work at our range dong qualifications a lot. I SEE what the guns do over and over.

Glock does seem to be the best in 9mm.
Also , form my observation, full size pistols like Sig P226, Beretta 92FS, Glock 17 seem to be MORE reliable than .40's and .45's.

I can only say this based on my observation. For almost 20 years. There are other factors too. How well is the gun maintained? What ammunition is used? Are only OEM magazines used?

There are many officers who carry Smith and Wesson and Ruger short barrel revolvers off duty and shoot them a lot. NEVER had issues with them.
PS. Never saw a single jam with 92FS

[Gnome]

PS. Never saw a single jam with 92FS

Neither had I, until mine took a crap on me. In its defense, it wasnt a jam. Just required more manipulation in order to shoot. Lol...