active shooter training

[415dog!]

That's actually the truth. Active shooters are dealt with quickly and aggressively

[Bobby Ricigliano]

That seems to be the prevailing momentum with active shooter training. We are not going to set up an elaborate CP and rehearse with a dry erase board. Get in there and neutralize the threat with whatever/whoever is available.

[Gnome]

Just participated in my dept's Active Shooter training/scenario a couple of weeks ago. It was held at Peperine University in Malibu. It was a multi agency training, so quite a few different LE agencies were there. LASD, CHP, Homeland Security, ICE/INS (kinda weird), and LAcoFD.

Dept. took over a building, put up plastic on walls everywhere (sim rounds), and had role players to act as victims.

We were broken into groups, and took turns "eliminating th threat." On the final scenario, Air 5 (Sikorsky) flew over, near the target location, and hovered as two SWAT guys rappeled from the helicopter. I have to admit, pretty cool to watch. SWAT guys linked up with group and went to work.

It was an interesting experience. Somewhat frustrating. My group was last to go (All Custody guys with different leveles of experience and time on). not wanting to look like a dumb@ss, I practiced the scenario in my head, while waiting for my turn. In my mind, I knew what I was going to do. I had everything planned out in my mind. You know... Warrior mentality. Visualize the gunfight. See yourself doing what needs to be done. Everything from making entry, to searching for shooters, to engaging shooters, to killing them.

Well, nothing happened the way I had visualized it. Entry went pretty smooth, but after that...one big cluster f*ck! Independent action, no communication, no one stepped up to assume leadership role(I blame myself. Should have been me), and muzzles pointed everywhere.

About the only thing we did right was find the shooters and kill them. Other than that, we were the example of what not to do.

However, I still learned a lot. It showed me how much further I still have to go, and how much I still have to learn. The next day, I was "googling" any type of Active Shooter/Entry training I could find. All in all, it was a great experience. One which I would love to repeat.

[Notorious]

You mean Pepperdine University? It's a gorgeous campus. Surprised they allowed out though because they are not too pro-gun, or at least their security isn't.

In any event, which building did you use? Sounded like a good event. It's better for you to find out the shortcomings and failures now than in the real thing.

[Gnome]

You mean Pepperdine University? It's a gorgeous campus. Surprised they allowed out though because they are not too pro-gun, or at least their security isn't.

In any event, which building did you use? Sounded like a good event. It's better for you to find out the shortcomings and failures now than in the real thing.

Oops. Yes, Pepperdine University. Sorry, was typing from my Droid Incredible. No, they were very gracious. I dont know the name of the building we took over. I'm sure they were receptive due to the fact that it was LE training. Particular training revolving around an "active shooter" at their campus. Their private LE response team participated too. They had nice equipment, too. Training ARs that shot 9mm sim rounds.

[Notorious]

Oops. Yes, Pepperdine University. Sorry, was typing from my Droid Incredible. No, they were very gracious. I dont know the name of the building we took over. I'm sure they were receptive due to the fact that it was LE training. Particular training revolving around an "active shooter" at their campus. Their private LE response team participated too. They had nice equipment, too. Training ARs that shot 9mm sim rounds.

That's a big change. When I was there, their public safety weren't armed, and they didn't like guns on their campus.

Good to hear they are realizing the importance of safety.

[RazzB7]

First off, let me start this with saying I'm not LEO.

Couple of years back, I had the pleasure of participating in a local LE active shooter training at a local college campus. We were using airsoft weapons for training purposes. I was the "bad guy/shooter" for the day. (The airsoft team I play on has a good relationship with some local agencies) I looked like I had chickenpox by the end of the day, I'd been shot so many times.

I enjoyed it and was glad to bring some unconventional tactics to the scenario. Hopefully, it was good experience for the officers involved.

[Notorious]

Public safety = Private security employed by a private college

How does that work?

[Notorious]

---Quote (Originally by Notorious)---Public safety = Private security employed by a private college How does that work?---End Quote---It works like this (http://police.sdccd.edu/index.cfm)

That's different. Public educational entities such as K-12 schools and community colleges, along with the Cal State and UC systems, are granted authority to form a true police department staffed with Peace Officers as defined in the Penal Code 830, et.al.

Private colleges, such as USC, Pepperdine, Biola, and Azusa Pacific are not publicly funded with tax dollars. Yet, in a private entity employing private security guards, their departments are all called "PUBLIC" safety. I was just asking more as a point to that twist that private employer=>private security employee=>PUBLIC safety.

[RazzB7]

That's different. Public educational entities such as K-12 schools and community colleges, along with the Cal State and UC systems, are granted authority to form a true police department staffed with Peace Officers as defined in the Penal Code 830, et.al.

Private colleges, such as USC, Pepperdine, Biola, and Azusa Pacific are not publicly funded with tax dollars. Yet, in a private entity employing private security guards, their departments are all called "PUBLIC" safety. I was just asking more as a point to that twist that private employer=>private security employee=>PUBLIC safety.

Yeah, sorry. I thought your post was directed at me. I deleted mine.

[garplay]

It depends.

Stanford university has a memorandum of understanding with Santa Clara County Sheriff department, so Stanford's public safety department has sworn Sheriff's deputies, paid for and managed by Stanford but with full police authority derived from the Santa Clara County Sheriff's department.

Stanford DPS employment info page

[Falconis]

Our dept does the training atleast every other year (SIMS mainly) for a full day to keep us on the same page. With a good watch commander (even with resources spread thin) we occasionally get some time to work with our own squad so we get down to the same paragraph so to speak with each other. Obviously no one thinks it's enough, but the little we get is better than nothing and it's surprising how quick some of the stuff just comes back, all things considered.

[Notorious]

It depends.

Stanford university has a memorandum of understanding with Santa Clara County Sheriff department, so Stanford's public safety department has sworn Sheriff's deputies, paid for and managed by Stanford but with full police authority derived from the Santa Clara County Sheriff's department.

Stanford DPS employment info page

USC public safety had the same type of MOU with LAPD and their officers can carry guns and effect arrests within school boundaries, but they are still not peace officers under the penal code.