CCW and LEO?

[ap3572001]

Just for kicks
Would it make any sense for an a CA LEO to put in an application for a CCW?
Could they be denied ?
Just wondering.......

[alexf2k9]

I don't think all off duty police officers can carry concealed. If that's the case then absolutely a CA LEO should put in a app for CCW to protect him/herself.

[ap3572001]

I don't think all off duty police officers can carry concealed. If that's the case then absolutely a CA LEO should put in a app for CCW to protect him/herself.

I mean , an officer who CAN carry off duty.

Think it will look a little strange?

[alexf2k9]

What would be the point?

[wsmc98]

leo/ccw's

It was my understanding that most departments require their deputies/ officers to carry on off duty as they are a 24/7 type employee?

[18sam2011]

All full time sworn police officers can carry concealed off duty legally. It is granted to them by the penal code. There would be absolutely no point in wasting your time and the department's time putting in a CCW application.

[Ron-Solo]

And wasting money

[Jonathan Doe]

I am not "required" to carry off duty. But if/when I carry, I "have to/shall" carry my ID at least.

[BigDogatPlay]

All full time sworn police officers can carry concealed off duty legally.

LEOSA aside, in some classifications if the peace officer is not authorized the use and carry of firearms by their employing agency, then no they can't.

[Notorious]

Not all officers have the statutory authority to carry on or off duty. If you are bored enough, read penal code 830, et.al., to see all the different classes of peace officer and which ones can carry, which ones may carry, and which ones cannot carry.

As for cops with the statutory authority to carry and also applying for a CCW, I don't know of any cops who done it here but I have heard of cops in other states who have applied and gotten CCW in addition to their statutory authority.

The notion was that if they ever got suspended or if they lost their job then they can automatically go to the CCW to carry instead of starting the process from scratch when SHTF.

I've thought about it just for S&G but don't feel like getting chewed out for wasting their time and also I have better uses for the money such as Destiny's college fund... At least that's what she told me it was for... Yeah....

[jerkyg]

Howdy Big Dog,

With due respect...this is not true. Please read this precedent appellate court case...it includes peace officer with very limited powers to carry off-duty...ie, deputy coroners. I am not aware of any agency that authorizes them to carry on-duty.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=198201

The employing agency has no say in whether one can carry off-duty or not. The court also did not visit whether it was required to qualify your chosen off-duty carry weapon. Because it does not say so in the California penal code. It only says that on-duty carry qualification is up to department policy. But, you would be foolish not to do so...in case of a shooting...you would want to show you WERE qualified.

With that said, I will be retiring very soon..and being that I will be leaving a non-armed position within my department...I will have to get a CCW. That is specified by the federal "Bush" carry law for retirees.

Luckily, I live (work in a big city) in a small county and the Sheriff will approve my CCW. But, in many cities...they will not even though you are a retired LEO. Ridiculous...but, that is the truth.

Stay safe...

LEOSA aside, in some classifications if the peace officer is not authorized the use and carry of firearms by their employing agency, then no they can't.

[Jared1981]

What would be the point?

There is one reason, the Federal GFSZ Act does NOT exempt off-duty LEO's.

The only practical exemptions to this law are...

1. On duty LEO's acting in their official capacity.

2. Any person who is licensed to possess or carry a firearm in the state where the school zone is located.

For the second one, the only way to really be licensed under the act is to have a carry license, a dangerous weapon license, or an Assault Weapon Registration certificate since that would count as licensure per the statute as long as CA law requires that before someone was issued a Assault Weapons registration card, that a background check had to be conducted.

What are the odds of being jammed up by the GFSZ act... who knows but you never know if and when you could get on the bad side of a federal prosecutor.

I've had a lot of other LEO's tell me that they are not concerned about this because no other LEO would jam them up on this... but at the same time, they will say "the law is the law" when dealing with some other people.

Something to think about. Granted State and local LEO's can't enforce federal law but some are cross designated for task forces and there are plenty of federal LEO's in California.

[Notorious]

So you are saying the 24 hour peace officer status which allows us to carry firearms is not considered a license to carry but then a non 24 hour peace officer reserve officer with a department issued CCW is good to go? Sounds about right for a government scheme....

[thefiveoh]

Even reserve officers are allowed to carry off duty if they are designated. All full time peace officers have the right to carry off duty, in any state. Refer to H.R 218.

As for non designated reserves, they all are granted a ccw. Not only a CCW, but an unrestricted CCW that allows to carry near schools.

The only officers who are not authorized by law to carry off duty are those who do not have full time peace officer powers. IE correctional officers, jailers, etc

[Notorious]

Level 1 designated reserves are 24 hour so they don't need a CCW. Level 1 non-designated, and 2 and 3 reserves MAY get a CCW but it's in no way guaranteed. I know of at least 1 department here that does not automatically grant their reserves CCW unless they fulfill a bunch of requirements. Some have a length of service requirement, others have a FTO requirement before they will issue. It's a department prerogative.

However, with LEOSA, that might all be a moot point.