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  • #16
    Roddd
    Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 348

    Thanks for being willing to get involved. Many people would just stand and watch. I've seen it...not in a shooting situation but one where an officer is losing a fight.

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    • #17
      Tacit Blue
      Veteran Member
      • Feb 2009
      • 4134

      Originally posted by Roddd
      Thanks for being willing to get involved. Many people would just stand and watch. I've seen it...not in a shooting situation but one where an officer is losing a fight.
      Don't forget to fire from the hip and take his radio and call a 11-99 with the location and who you are.
      "All that is complex is not useful. All that is useful is simple."
      Mikhail Kalashnikov *...

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      • #18
        solanoshooter
        Member
        • Oct 2008
        • 252

        911, advise what you are wearing for responding officers, then jump into the mix.

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        • #19
          IrishJoe3
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2009
          • 3804

          Originally posted by Quickdraw Mcgraw
          interesting...if you save his life they probly treat ya like a HERO, on the other hand if he dies??????
          What the op is describing is exactly what Gary Kness did on April 6th, 1970. On that date Mr. Kness, working as a trucker, stumbled across the Newhall Massacre.



          Gary Kness, 31, a former U.S. Marine, was en route to work when he happened upon the shootout. Kness got out of his vehicle and ran over to the fallen officer Alleyn. He tried to drag Alleyn to safety, but was unable to move him. He looked up and saw Davis discard his now-empty sawed-off shotgun and grab the Remington shotgun that had been dropped by Officer Frago.....
          Back on the other side of the cruiser, Kness picked up Alleyn's discarded shotgun and tried to shoot at Davis, but the gun was empty. As Davis opened fire on him with Frago's revolver, Kness dropped the shotgun and returned fire with Alleyn's service revolver. His shots struck the Pontiac, and a fragment of one bullet lodged into Davis' chest. However, the shot did not incapacitate Davis, and Kness was soon out of ammunition.

          Even though Mr. Kness was unable to save any of the four CHP officers, he's regarded as a hero, even today.



          Now 69, Kness was hugged by Alleyn's relatives. A long line of CHP officers and other law enforcement authorities formed to shake his hand. "I've always heard of you. I've wanted to meet you all my life," said retired San Fernando Police Officer Fred Iversen.
          A stretch of I-5 in Santa Clarita is named after four young men shot to death in the 1970 rampage remembered as the 'Newhall Incident.'

          Last edited by IrishJoe3; 05-31-2011, 10:06 PM.
          Urban legends are a poor basis for making public policy.

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          • #20
            IrishJoe3
            Veteran Member
            • Feb 2009
            • 3804

            Originally posted by Roddd
            Thanks for being willing to get involved. Many people would just stand and watch.
            a big +1. I have been solo in a couple really tense situations and have had members of the public ask me if I needed help. Tell you what, nothing restores my faith in the public as a civilian willing to put themselves in harms way to help me.
            Urban legends are a poor basis for making public policy.

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            • #21
              Roddd
              Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 348

              99% of civilians are honest, hard working people. It's easy to become jaded in this line of work.

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              • #22
                Bobby Ricigliano
                Mit Gott und Mauser
                CGN Contributor
                • Feb 2011
                • 17439

                If I was pinned down like that I'd welcome any help I could get. I always take a quick look when I roll by a T-stop off duty to make sure dude is OK.

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                • #23
                  r3dn3ck
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 1900

                  I'll take any help I can get when I need it. I think cops would tend to agree. Dying sucks.

                  Help the cop and don't feel bad if you get shot in the process. Even if it's the cop that shoots you.

                  For my money, despite a healthy disrespect for the newest minting of officers (post 9/11 recruits) and a healthier disrespect for much of the laws put on the books before and after 9/11, I look to see that the officer appears to be in control every time I pass a scene. If I can't see the cop, I'll stop nearby till I can (this got me pulled over and extensively questioned and then politely thanked just one time) see him. If it looks bad it probably is bad. There's always a firearm handy but I'm usually concerned that my help would be more needed with stopping bleeding and starting an 11-99 call if it ever were to become an issue.

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                  • #24
                    tyrist
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 4564

                    The call is yours; but remember you, your house, and your family will probably be the subject of incoming fire as well. If it was me I would want any help I could get.

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