CCW policy for Reserves?

[snovvman]

For LASD, I understand that a Reserve may CCW IF the Sheriff grants the permit. I realize it is highly discretionary, but that is not the point of my question.

Question:
IF a permit is granted, can one carry a weapon of his/her choice, or must one, as a Reserve, carry a weapon that is on the LASD "off-duty" approved list?

I ask because, were a civilian to receive a CCW, he/she may choose from a broad range of weapons available. For a full-time officer, he/she must carry one of the listed off-duty weapons. I just don't know how a Reserve off-duty with a CCW fits in. There are many more compact (LCP, Kel-Tec, etc.) choices that would be preferable carry options.

Thanks.

[yzErnie]

I can't speak for LASD but I know on my department any off duty/CCW for reserves has to be approved through our range and per our policy. We have a pretty broad range of authorized guns.

[CaliTheKid]

LASD reserves may select up to 3 weapons from the departments approved list for their CCW. Non-approved weapons are not permitted for CCW.

[snovvman]

LASD reserves may select up to 3 weapons from the departments approved list for their CCW. Non-approved weapons are not permitted for CCW.

So no Ruger LCP or Kel-Tec eh? I presume the approved list you refer is the same as the "approved off-duty" list for full-time Deputies?

Thank you and yzernie for responding.

[retired]

Even tho retired from LASD, I'd have to agree with CaliTheKid as that was the policy when I was on and I can't imagine it changing tho the particular guns have. Both active and retired were restricted to the same listed weapons for off duty use.

That is why when I was free from those rules, I retired my S&W Model 60 post haste and bought my XD subcompact 9mm.

[snovvman]

That is why when I was free from those rules, I retired my S&W Model 60 post haste and bought my XD subcompact 9mm.

Thank you. So that I am clear based on what you wrote, you would not be allowed to carry the XD as a retired Deputy. Correct?

[retired]

Thank you. So that I am clear based on what you wrote, you would not be allowed to carry the XD as a retired Deputy. Correct?

No. As a retired deputy, I can carry any handgun I want so long as I qualify with it at the dept. range. I have both my Dept. issued ccw (good for 5yrs.) and the National LEOSA one good for one year. My dept. states that if one has the latter, they don't need the former. Since I don't have the best memory in the world and I have forgotten to renew my yearly National one on a couple of occasions in a timely manner, I have both. I basically only need the National one for when I go to Vegas or Laughlin, since Nv. isn't one of the 13 states that accepts the Ca. ccw.

As I stated, I have carried my XD since about 8 months after I retired in 2003. I still qualify on the Model 60 and also my 92f that I bought from the dept. when I retired for just in case. I know the 92f is too large to really conceal, but if the other two just happen to be in the shop at the same time, I'll be gtg. I think I'm going to qualify with my SA Pro 1911 next time also.

[snovvman]

Thank you Sir. I just read about LEOSA. Interesting stuff. In researching whether LEOSA covers Reserves w/ CCW, I have not been able to find any definitive information. Do you know if LEOSA covers Reserves who have CCW from their department?

Cheers.

[Tallship]

LEOSA covers reserves whether or not they have a CCW from their department. The problem you have is that if your department does not want to issue you a CCW and you press the LEOSA issue, you will soon become a former reserve.

[DDXVfan]

Any opinion on LEOSA and retired reserves?

[Tallship]

Retired reserves are now eligible for LEOSA after the latest amendments. The wording was changed from "retired" to "separated". In the original version the term retired really didn't apply to reserves as there was no "job" to retire from. Now with separated, if you meet the time and other requirements, you are eligible.

[DDXVfan]

Thanks for the info Tallship, sent you a PM.

[jerkyg]

APPROVED WEAPONS OFF-DUTY

FYI...

I know of a California Appellate court decision that came out in '93. It was brought to court by the Union of Orange County Peace Officers against Orange County. It was regarding the Chief's of their repspective departments telling off-duty officers whether they could carry and if so, what they could carry. The 3 judge panel...among other interesting conclusions...determined that no Chief had the right to say that any peace officer (even those with limited peace officer powers, i.e., deputy corners. Yes, coroners...!?) could not carry off-duty or what he/she could carry. That the judges surmised that if given that discretionary power...they could theoretically tell you that you can't use that new .300 Winchester Mag deer rifle or that .454 Casull. With that said...and with this precedent appellate case...I don't see how a department can regulate what a full-time LEO carries off-duty.

Very interesting read...I did find it here on this forum and is a good read.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=198201

Stay safe all...

For LASD, I understand that a Reserve may CCW IF the Sheriff grants the permit. I realize it is highly discretionary, but that is not the point of my question.

Question:
IF a permit is granted, can one carry a weapon of his/her choice, or must one, as a Reserve, carry a weapon that is on the LASD "off-duty" approved list?

I ask because, were a civilian to receive a CCW, he/she may choose from a broad range of weapons available. For a full-time officer, he/she must carry one of the listed off-duty weapons. I just don't know how a Reserve off-duty with a CCW fits in. There are many more compact (LCP, Kel-Tec, etc.) choices that would be preferable carry options.

Thanks.

[Sacmedic]

Jerkyg,

I've read the same case. There are also cases that made it to the appellate level for welfare fraud investigators and deputy probation officers regarding the same issue. Seems to be fairly well settled. A designated peace officer, whether he/she carries on duty and despite what their employer says, may carry off duty without restriction by said employer.

Regards,

Sacmedic

[Ron-Solo]

Jerkyg,

I've read the same case. There are also cases that made it to the appellate level for welfare fraud investigators and deputy probation officers regarding the same issue. Seems to be fairly well settled. A designated peace officer, whether he/she carries on duty and despite what their employer says, may carry off duty without restriction by said employer.

Regards,

Sacmedic

Does not apply to reserves, who must have a CCW permit. They do not have a 12025/12031 pc exemption like a full time, salaried peace officer.

While a peace officer carrying an off duty gun not authorized by his/her department would not be violating law, they would be violating department policy and be subject to administrative disciplinary action. Additionally, the individual would open themselves up to civil liability and the department would leave you hung out to dry in civil court.

LASD requires you to carry a firearm from their approved list, and they are currently issuing the Beretta 92F as the standard issue firearm. They are issuing the Smith & Weson M&P 9mm on a test basis.

The minute I retired, I could carry anything I wanted, but I also lose that nice umbrella of protection provided by the Department.