High capacity mags?

[darkjedi351]

Frames like that. It was called OD (olive drab).

They stopped production on OD frames last year.

I bought a bunch of them. (I got tired of BLACK frames)

OD colors looks like dark earth...depends on the lighting.

nice collection! who makes the 5 mag pouch?

[kemasa]

Look at question and answer 7. The letter you had all this time seems to agree with my postion, which is that replacement of a mag is illegal, whereas repair is legal.

Also look at Q6, which indicates an issue if the whole magazine is replaced.

[TheKlawMan]

Also look at Q6, which indicates an issue if the whole magazine is replaced.

While the answer is anything but an answer. I wouold say that if the original mag was legally possessed, it is still legally possessed if each part is replaced one piece per day. Just try selling that to a jury.

[kemasa]

The answer to Q6 states that it could be considered manufacturing a high capacity magazine, which tends to indicate that a complete replacement of the magazine IS an issue. Then add Q7 which indicates that replacement is again an issue.

[Cokebottle]

Ok, let me be a bit more clear, where does it say that in the California Penal Code?

It's not there, but neither is the legality of rebuild kits.

I am presuming there there may be some case law that TRP are aware of, or they are simply using caution in the stance that a magazine that can still be used in the original gun can in no way be construed as manufacturing a new magazine.

[Cokebottle]

The answer to Q6 states that it could be considered manufacturing a high capacity magazine, which tends to indicate that a complete replacement of the magazine IS an issue. Then add Q7 which indicates that replacement is again an issue.

And neither of which are solid answers with statements that can be used as either a defense or offense.
Both are "CYA" answers on the part of Alison. It appears that the letter was written spanning a couple of days (or maybe before/after lunch). Page 1 is quite clear with solid "yes/no" answers. The bottom of page 1 and page 2 fall into "I'm not going to comment on this, it's up to the DA"... which were the same responses that we got to the Bullet Button/Featureless/OLL.

We all know how the BB/Featureless/OLL worked out.

The icing on the cake is when she begins talking about the prosecutor believing that you have the intent to manufacture. Possession of parts is not a crime, and constructive possession does not apply to magazine parts or assault weapons.

Remember... that letter was from 2005. 6 years ago, 5 years after the ban, and at a time when TRP were having very frequent communication with the BOF/DOJ regarding OLL. It was also somewhere around the time that Iggy shot his desk.

[Notorious]

While the answer is anything but an answer. I wouold say that if the original mag was legally possessed, it is still legally possessed if each part is replaced one piece per day. Just try selling that to a jury.

From what it sounds like, you can replace each part in succession in one sitting and as long as you don't end up with more standard caps than you started with, you would be okay.

[G1500]

From what it sounds like, you can replace each part in succession in one sitting and as long as you don't end up with more standard caps than you started with, you would be okay.

Pretty much how I see it.

[TheKlawMan]

From what it sounds like, you can replace each part in succession in one sitting and as long as you don't end up with more standard caps than you started with, you would be okay.

Who is talking about "standard caps"? We are talking about large capacity mags. First, it is much more believable that all the parts were replaced in a single sitting than one a day until all parts were replaced. Unfortunately, in effecct you did not repair the original magazine but illegally manufactured a LCM assuming no exemptions apply.

Your question caused me to reconsider what I said about there being no problem if you replaced one part a day until all were replaced. Not only would that be difficult to sell to a jury, even under those facts you illegally manufactured a LCM.

[Cokebottle]

Who is talking about "standard caps". We are talking about large capacity mags and whereas you will have your work cut out for you convincing a jury that you replaced eacy part one at a time evey day, you just convicted yourself of manufacturing an LCM if you do it in one sitting.

There you go again.

You are taking an answer from an opinion letter written by a FORMER employee of the BOF who was known to spread FUD and citing it as PC.

[TheKlawMan]

There you go again.

You are taking an answer from an opinion letter written by a FORMER employee of the BOF who was known to spread FUD and citing it as PC.

Uh, I didn't cite the letter and was aware that one could repair but not replace a mag. Nor could they assemble an different mag form a rebuild kit. go top court and see if anyone believes that you were not engaged in maufacturing an LCM even though you tried to disguise it as several attmpts to repair the original mag.

[Notorious]

Who is talking about "standard caps"? We are talking about large capacity mags. First, it is much more believable that all the parts were replaced in a single sitting than one a day until all parts were replaced. Unfortunately, in effecct you did not repair the original magazine but illegally manufactured a LCM assuming no exemptions apply.

Your question caused me to reconsider what I said about there being no problem if you replaced one part a day until all were replaced. Not only would that be difficult to sell to a jury, even under those facts you illegally manufactured a LCM.

Standard cap is what the gun should have. Low cap is when you limit it to less than the factory design. Only in CA or NJ and other environs would something be called high capacity when it is just standard everywhere else. Semantics aside, I don't disagree with what you said and I have questioned others who think that it is okay to essentially make a new mag out of a kit to "repair" a pre-existing standard capacity mag.

My thinking is that no matter what, you need at least 1 part from the previous magazine for it to be considered a repair job and not a new manufacture. Even if the original part is just the floorplate or follower, it is still technically a repair of an original magazine. The question then becomes what happens when the last original part breaks, can you then replace that last part as a final repair or do you have to discard the whole thing now because no original parts are left?

[kemasa]

I suspect that the replacing of all the original parts really depends on how you do it. If you replaced a part each time something broke or got worn out, then everything is replaced, I doubt that it would be a problem. If you did it in one day, then it might be a problem (if they could prove it).

[Oceanbob]

That's a bunch of FUD

I suspect that the replacing of all the original parts really depends on how you do it. If you replaced a part each time something broke or got worn out, then everything is replaced, I doubt that it would be a problem. If you did it in one day, then it might be a problem (if they could prove it).

Considering it is perfectly legal to rebuild your Hi Capacity magazine.
(per a letter from an official of the CDOJ)

What would be required to 'Rebuild' my GLOCK 20 magazine (15 rounds) if I
accidently backed over it with my Truck? Crushing the entire magazine.

Answer: All it would take to rebuilt it would change every part until it was in working order again. (about 10 minutes of time and my spare rebuild kit)

As a side note, nobody is being arrested or prosecuted for this magazine ban.

Probably because the law is so VAGUE and requires a big mouthed defendant before getting a conviction. Why would the State start enforcing this law when any credible challange might make the law MOOT.?

At this time (11 years after the ban) not a single piece of Case Law or Precedent (road map) exists on the hi cap magazine ban.

Sure we have 'letters' from the CDOJ but nothing concrete. They are letting this law be PASSIVE and not pushing the issue in fear of failure.

JMO by the way.

[kemasa]

Replacing ALL the parts COULD be considered replacement, not repair.

Yes, it is unlikely that you would ever get charged and convicted, but that does not mean it is legal either.