ASP Baton Experience

[Calm Down]

I have an ASP. I too have found it to be ineffective, or maybe I swing like a little girl. The last guy it was used on still fought for a while. When I interviewed him two hours later he could hardly move. Though that was nice, I wanted more of an immediate reaction to being struck. I will be purchasing a Monadnock pr-24 collapsible soon.

[Doru]

In the world of Good, Better, and Best the ASP and Monannock are "Good", meaning better than nothing.

Can they work? Yes. Are they good for more than one use? Sometimes. I look at them in about the same light as a riding crop.

As for the Taser, I find that it starts more fights than they finish. A good tool to get someone who is non-compliant to be combative. In the big picture, I suppose they have their place.....

Personally, in a use of force that justifies a stick or a Taser, I would recommend either a straight stick or the RCB (which is what I carry).

For those who don't know the RCB is a straight stick that happens to collapse. It's everything you wanted or expected from a collapsible.

Well worth checking out.

Drew

[556fmj]

On the RCB, you can also change out the baton caps for a window breaker model and few other different styles. Their roto loc holster kicks *** too.

[barca101]

I believe the ASP is more of a psychological affect than it is effective. When 2 of my co workers and I responded to a 5150 call, there was a large guy who refused to be taken into custody. When we went hands on after ordering the suspect to cuff up, the guy resisted and became assaultive. We peppered sprayed him and when that didn't work, I unhostered my asp. We struck him in the arm and legs. My other partners had an ASP and the other guy had a wooden stick. The ASP didn't work as well as the wooden one.

When we arrived at the hospital, the guy disrobed to get examined. The prisoner had welt marks all over his body. From that experience, I learned the ASP was not effective as the wooden baton. I stayed with the ASP b/c of the convinience and my other co worker switched back to his wooden baton after that incident.

What I didn't like about the ASP is that in certain situation or technique the ASP sometimes will retract back to the close position. I wish that they issue us like a madnodnock type baton were it has a lock. What I don't like about the ASP is that you have to slam it down on the ground to close it back. Doesn't look to professional.

[Notorious]

I haven't gotten the chance to use it on someone yet, but from what I've heard is that it is not very effective. Unless you're unusually strong or you hit them in the right spots (elbow, wrist, knee) they probably will just keep coming at you. A good alternative would be to carry a metal fixed pr24.

I used my ASP on a car window once... took a few whacks. I went back to my 26" hardwood LAPD straight stick. I have no idea where I put my ASP... who cares.

[Patrick Aherne]

Can somebody post a link to the RCB? Thanks. I carry a Monadnock with the power safety tip because a previous commander thought we might hurt a bad guy if we had ASPs. Duh.

[PositiveInfluence]

From what I've heard, licensed security can not have a PR-24 anymore. That kinda sucks.

[LHC30]

Rule 1: Any tool, at some time or another, will fail you.

Rule 2: Rule 1 happens most when you need the tool the most :-)

Seriously to your post, If you were hitting on the fleshy part of the body, you are largely wasting your time and energy. You must strike on the bony parts - shins, knees, elbows, forearms and shoulder joint (from the top outside edge).... I like the mass of the ol' hickory or PR24, but with the higher velocities I can get out of the ASP, well, they get the message - I suppose being 6'4 240 helps too.

[Triad]

Can somebody post a link to the RCB? Thanks. I carry a Monadnock with the power safety tip because a previous commander thought we might hurt a bad guy if we had ASPs. Duh.

https://Www.peacekeeperproducts.com

[Lrchops]

When the fight is on it is extremely difficult to assure a hit on a boney area of the body with an ASP. Multiple strikes on a violent suspect and you may be lucky to get one on a boney spot and make the guy shout, then if he is truly jacked up on dope or non compliant, good luck!

I agree that the ASP is more of a psychological type weapon and if that part does not work on the suspect, well, better go to the Tazer of something more effective.

In these cold months, most suspects are wearing heavy coats and/or heavy clothing. There is no way an ASP will be effective on layers!

[speeder]

From what I have seen and tested myself, the ASP is a big F'n joke! The only use that I have found it good for is reaching for some thing out of the way or moving some thing you don't want to touch with your hands (dead animal / garbage). A side handle baton will do the same plus it will work much better in a fight.

Yea, snaping it out to extend it can cause some to take interest but that's about it. Sure it can be effective but like the above poster stated it's hard to make the perfect strike that's needed. It's a lot of extra weight to carry on your hip just to say that you "all ways' have an impact device on hand.

[tyrist]

It's works really well for prying a suspects arms out from under their body.

[glock21fan]

From what I've heard, licensed security can not have a PR-24 anymore. That kinda sucks.

not true, you just have to be trained in what your carrying it will show on your permit as side handle or expandable side handle...

I like the peacekeeper, I broke a asp on some drunk in a bar, he didn't feel the effect till the next morning (im assuming) my partner deployed a 24 inch peacekeeper and he only needed one hit to the thigh

[J_B]

I haven't carried my ASP in several years. I deployed it one time and it was just a waste.

I either deploy the Tazer or go hands on. There's a guy on swings that has religiously carried his wooden baton. Never see him without it when we are at calls.

[hombresg33]

My dept. we're issued 26' Dymondwood Batons but we can also carry an ASP. I personally don't care for the ASP.