Raids

[lavgrunt]

Why no, do you? And please stay on topic so that this thread doesn't get locked too.

My question was legitimate.....I should have been more clear......Out of the hundreds of SW services I have been involved in, only 2 were at the wrong location. Both locations were in trailer parks. If it's gonna go awry, it'll be at a trailer park or a multi-unit apartment complex...........See ??.........On topic !!

........And yes, this thread will be locked soon........Just sayin'...........

[Purple K]

........And yes, this thread will be locked soon........Just sayin'...........

Sad but true!

[veeklog]

I have been on a LOT of search warrants, and I can tell you that a lot of time and preparation goes into serving one. We don't go through the doors like gang-busters without knowing or having a clue what could be on the other side of the door.

[pbchief2]

Two things

1. Your trying to convince me with a graph of maybe 200 accidents in the last 25 years? It didn't work. How many people live in America? 200 out of 300 million is a very low rate.

2. If your thread is locked, maybe, just maybe you shouldn't start another one about the same topic. It just doesn't seem like a smart move.

1. 200 accidents among around 110,000,000 households and about 625,000 NK's issued. So .032% of these seem to be at the wrong address. Factor in human error and this is a great track record. Unless of course it happens to you.


I apologize if I was not supposed to post here, I clicked on the topic after searching for new posts.

[Notorious]

IBTL!

I read through the other one and then saw this one! COOL!

You, sir, need a hobby. Turn off the computer... step away... and don't look back. Maybe this is not your cup of tea.

I've been on search teams and I have made entry a few times as the first man since I am the only one that is limber and thin enough to climb through a window when we knocked and didn't get an answer and the scene commander didn't want to be billed for a new door and door frame. He had me climb in through a window instead... lucky me.

Anyway, we knocked the crap out of all those warrants that day. Never had an issue. Got the right addresses on all of them. Got tons of useful info and made some arrests too. Awesome, no?

[IrishJoe3]

Oooh! ooh! there is a video about this!

[biochembruin]

Purple K, what is your point?
Do warrants (no knock or knock-and-notice) get served at the wrong address from time to time? Yes.
Is this rare? Yes, exceedingly so. Over a 25 year period (covered by the statistics in your link), there would easily be over 1 million warrant services across the US. For there to be 362 mistakes over that time period, I would venture to say the system works very well. Could it be better? Maybe, but in all honesty, probably not. You can hope for perfection, but it will never occur. It's just the reality of a system with any human element. Remember, a number (such as 362 erroneous warrant services over 25 years) is meaningless in a statistical sense without something to compare it to (such as the number of actual warrants served without error over that same time period).

So again, what is your point? If you want to put up a sign, go ahead. It will have no effect on a warrant service. If you want to make the point that officers make mistakes, it's been made. Along with the point that warrant mistakes are rare. Lets analyze your proposed wording of your sign:

"Officers, if you are here to serve a warrant, you are at the wrong address. If you use forcible entry techniques to enter, I will likely assume that I'm the victim of a home invasion robbery. You and I will likely shoot each other. Re-check your info. Or just knock and wait for me to answer"

1: How do you know they don't actually want to serve a warrant on your house?
2:Your sign seems to address specifically a no-knock warrant. As stated ad nauseum, these are rare. You probably have a better chance of winning the lottery. Even if you don't play the lottery.
3:Your sign will get you killed. Even in the unlikely event of a warrant service at your house, whether erroneous or genuine, officers will know you are going to shoot at whatever comes through the front door. You just killed yourself.

Feel free to put up your sign in any fashion with any wording. If you wish to go on worrying about the day the no-knock warrant will be served on your house, please do. In the mean time, unless you have other points which haven't been addressed, I don't get what you're driving at with these two threads.

[non sequitur]

Raids

IBTL

Stay safe!

[retired]

If your thread is locked, maybe, just maybe you shouldn't start another one about the same topic. It just doesn't seem like a smart move.

This is absolutely correct. As I said in the other thread, it had runs its course. There were responses from numerous leos who work for different depts. throughout this state that stated the no knock warrant was a rare one. There was no valid reason to let the thread continue; it was asked and answered by those who speak from knowledge and in many cases; experience.

When you have a thread locked on a subject, please do not begin another one on the same subject. Simple as that. No threat of being banned from this forum was intended and it never entered my mind (still hasn't).