Question for LEO on ULCC

[Donny1]

I was reading this thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=207158

I saw a reference to ULCC on post #16.

I took it to mean that ULCC was legal. Is it somehow not illegal to CCW without a permit if the gun is unloaded? Or am I missing something.

[ojisan]

ULCC means Unloaded Locked Concealed Carry, not Un-Loaded Concealed Carry.

ULCC means empty gun inside a locked container.

If you are caught carrying concealed without a permit, two misdemeanor charges are most likely:
- Carrying a concealed gun without a permit (it does not matter if it is loaded or not!)
- Carrying a loaded gun (concealed or not)

Wait until the next round of court cases are decided here in CA...you may be able to legally carry within a year.

[Donny1]

Thanks, I knew I was missing something.

[ke6guj]

I was reading this thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=207158

I saw a reference to ULCC on post #16.

I took it to mean that ULCC was legal. Is it somehow not illegal to CCW without a permit if the gun is unloaded? Or am I missing something.

ULCC or more commonly LUCC stands for Locked, Unloaded, Container Carry, meaning that it is is carried in a locked container, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...highlight=lucc

It is not unloaded concealed carry like you are thinking.

[ArtP88]

Wait until the next round of court cases are decided here in CA...you may be able to legally carry within a year.

Can you post a link or provide more information regarding what you just posted? Search terms work too.

[ke6guj]

Can you post a link or provide more information regarding what you just posted? Search terms work too.

here, look at the current cases listed,

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...mportant_Cases .

Those cases are gonna expand on Heller/McDonald.

[Donny1]

Since my question was answered and the thread changes direction I would not mind if it gets closed (don't know if I can do that).

That said I hope we get "will issue", but not like AZ CCW. I believe training and licensing is important. It may even make an idiot have some understanding of the consequences of missuses of firearms. Letting any moron with no training stick a gun in his waistband and go out on the town is a disaster waiting to happen.

[ojisan]

All threads change direction.
It's what they do.
They have no mercy.
They can't be argued or bargained with.
And they absolutely, positively will not stop until your original topic is long forgotten.

(Sorry, I fell into Terminator movie mode there for a minute).

Now, with your last post on licensing, I ask if you want to call "off-topic" on yourself?



Thanx ke6 you are always on top of things.
You are always quick with the links and insight...

[ArtP88]

It may even make an idiot have some understanding of the consequences of missuses of firearms. Letting any moron with no training stick a gun in his waistband and go out on the town is a disaster waiting to happen.

Don't you think those idiots and morons who are going out on the town with a gun on their wasteband, intent on drinking and what have you, are going to do it anyway? Loosening the law only helps those intent on following the law.

[Donny1]

Don't you think those idiots and morons who are going out on the town with a gun on their wasteband, intent on drinking and what have you, are going to do it anyway? Loosening the law only helps those intent on following the law.

Intent and responsible actions are two different things. An untrained person carrying a gun could get himself killed very easily or kill an innocent person.

My point is that someone that goes through even a basic course for safety and learns some common sense along the way is never a bad thing.

It only takes one mistake with a gun to become a tragedy. Last week we were shooting in the desert and in the group next to us, a guy with an AR finishes shooting his target and proceeds to swing the muzzle around, casing EVERYONE in his group, then walks back to reload. NOBODY in his group warned him or were even the slightest bit alarmed by his actions. I immediately packed up and found another spot to shoot. Obviously no one in the group ever had ANY safety training and they had an arsenal of weapons.

[Donny1]

Now, with your last post on licensing, I ask if you want to call "off-topic" on yourself?

[ArtP88]

Intent and responsible actions are two different things. An untrained person carrying a gun could get himself killed very easily or kill an innocent person.

I agree with the spirit of what you're asking for with training. I don't believe training will do any good for an idiot, and an idiot will still pass the course and remain an idiot. It's required to take a hunters safety course to get a license, but we still have hunting accidents and wing nuts cruising the forests. How about drivers licenses?

<no sarcasm here> I suppose in the end you're right. We can say we tried to educate these people but our attempts failed anyway. I think it's one of these cases where we can say we did the right thing as a society.

[Donny1]

How about drivers licenses?

<no sarcasm here> I suppose in the end you're right. We can say we tried to educate these people but our attempts failed anyway. I think it's one of these cases where we can say we did the right thing as a society.

As far as drivers licenses go, it might help if we required people to speak and read English since all our traffic signs are that way. That's a whole other topic.

I'm not so concerned about doing the right thing as much as that I believe some good safety habits can be learned. It's like a poor golf swing, with training it gets better results.

Now on to idiots. Yes there are plenty, in fact they are the majority with the average IQ in the US around 100. But graded on a curve it makes me a genius.

[ArtP88]

I'm not so concerned about doing the right thing as much as that I believe some good safety habits can be learned. It's like a poor golf swing, with training it gets better results.

I completely disagree. People who are motivated to learn will learn on their own without a class or formal instruction (it's what we're doing on this forum). On the other hand, forcing people to learn; high school, anger managment, hunters safety, concealed carry - I could go on and on - does nothing except give the excuse to punish later on (because you knew better) and make it appear a person was given the tools to learn but chose not to. It's as-s covering (liability).

You have to want to fix your golf swing.

[ArtP88]

California passed a law requiring a handgun safety course to buy a handgun. Do you honestly suppose it's prevented one single accident or curbed any bad behavior? All it does is force an illiterate person to get their handguns illegally. After all, if you can read, you can pass the test.