Glock or XD ?

[IrishJoe3]

I worked for an agency where originally the issue weapons were Glock. Then they started issuing XD. When I got there it was about 1/2 and 1/2 on the firing line. XDs were breaking and malfunctioning all day long at the range, delaying our firing line. Armorer's always mailing XDs back to Springfield for warranty repair. Glock.....I saw one repair necessary done on the bench.....VERY few malfunctions. I think that real world test of duty weapons is the best test. The XD looks cool and has some nifty features....but the Glock is the tried and true winner to bet your life on.

Well...I've carried the same XD daily for five years, not one malfuction and nothing has broken. 'Course I can't compare that to a Glock because I dont own one, but last range day a couple deputies were complaining about their glocks and they had a couple malfuctions with the glocks that I witnessed.

[jmpgnr24k]

Glock dude.

[sk1]

XD triggers are awful. That should be enough said right there.

[9mmepiphany]

I don't think Robbie Leatham would compete with a pistol with a horrible trigger...and he was shooting an XD when he won the last year's Bianchi Cup Production class.

I had a chance to shoot one of his winning XDs a few years ago...he sells them after winning a big match with them...and that trigger was very sweet with just a bit more roll off than a 1911

[XDshooter]

Perhaps you are not familiar with figures of speech.

I shared my personal observations and experience.....so if you want exact numbers, sorry I did not keep records of the malfunctions, but the XDs were malfunctioning at a minimum of 10 times more than the Glock...and like I said, the Glock....only once.....the XDs......several times at every range day were XDs malfunctioning and causing pauses in the firing line. The Glocks were older, too. So, have you experienced the malfunctions?....maybe not......but as a duty weapon being abused on the firing line?......I witnessed Glock win, hands down, on reliability.

So when someone calls you out, it becomes a "figure of speach?"

No one is going to believe that if you put a room full of 50% XD's and 50% Glocks, that the XD's will "malfunctioning at a minimum of 10 times more than the Glock"

[CalCop]

No one is going to believe that if you put a room full of 50% XD's and 50% Glocks, that the XD's will "malfunctioning at a minimum of 10 times more than the Glock"

I witnessed it repeatedly. It was frustrating for all on the firing line. Lots of the XDs were losing their firing pin indicators, they would just break and fall out. There were also several broken recoil spring assemblies. One so bad that the gun could not be disassembled by the Armorers....had to go back to the factory. Believe what you like.....I saw it all happen.

[quiet-wyatt]

How does that make any difference as far as safety is concerned, IT DOESN'T. The striker is partially cocked.

But that's not what you said: "Pulling the slide back places the striker back behind the sear." - Not...

Double action, blah blah blah...

Yeah... Those dang facts getting in the way again... Look up Double-Action...

It can not re-strike, so the point is mute.

Don't you mean "moot"?

[XDshooter]

But that's not what you said: "Pulling the slide back places the striker back behind the sear." - Not...

Yeah... Those dang facts getting in the way again... Look up Double-Action...

Don't you mean "moot"?

You caught me grammer police.

It does place the striker behind the sear at a half cocked striker position. What are not getting about that?
The person I originally quoted stated:

Glock: Less moving parts to fail, you can take it apart completely with a pin punch, lower bore axis for follow up shots, safer action since the striker is not cocked until the trigger is pulled, can be fired from the hip w/o malfunctioning, better magazines, more aftermarket support, and no critical slide jams.

There is so much FAIL in this quote, but the part I was referring too is in bold.

Double action is not the class glocks are in. Glocks have their own class of action. Call it whatever you want. It's not double action, which DOES NOT MAKE IT SAFER. <- My original point.

[CalCop]

You caught me grammer police.

That's grammAr, not grammEr....courtesy of the spelling police.

[bcj128]

As a rangemaster of an agency that issues Glocks, but has an open policy for personally owned duty weapons, I have seen thousands of range rotations with Glocks, and by now many with the XD's, here is what I have seen:

The Glocks have been overall highly reliable. Those with lights have had issues, and their malfunction rate was well above normal. We re-sprung the guns, and the G22's were back to utter reliable. The G23's still wouldn't work right, so no more lights.

The XD's suffered from a higher rate of malfunctions, especially in the beginning. So much so, that I considered dis-allowing them. At the time, there was only one on the department, so I waited to see what happened when it was sent back for warranty work, and it was far better. They now seem to be close to on par with the Glocks.

The largest problem I have seen is that Springfield will not train people as armorers. I personally love my Glocks, but my fellow range instructor who carries an XDm has one of the most incredibly accurate pistols I have ever seen.

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