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  • jewie27
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 90

    CBP off-duty approved firearms.

    For CBPO's other than the dept issued Gen 5 Glock 19 MOS,
    is there a list of approved firearms for off-duty or can any make/model be carried?

    Will the dept. badge/credentials cover carry of personal off-duty weapons or is a state specific CCW required? I know it is required for the dept. issued Glock.
  • #2
    Rogue187
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2007
    • 1157

    Your best bet is to check with your department.
    For DHS. Contact NFTTU.
    They have the lists you are curious about.

    They are also the ones who will provide guidance on your question.

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    • #3
      jayhuh
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 968

      Yeah. Why not just check with your agency? They could probably provide a more definitive answer than a gun forum.

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      • #4
        L-2
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 1330

        I wasn't a Federal LEO, but a local LEO. If I was to come across the OP, who had a badge and Federal LEO I.D. he/she would likely be good-to-go, unless a further phone call to some type of agency/department OK was needed (might depend upon the situation).

        On some type of routine stop, I wouldn't be getting into the Federal departmental policy or regulations as to what may be carried. From my current friends/acquaintances who are Federal LEOs/CBP/HS, there was some talk of only being "covered" in some way with the department issued CBP G19Gen5 (and previously the HK P2000), but carrying off-duty isn't required at all and some were comfortable carrying whatever they wanted off-duty.
        (former) Glock and 1911 Armorer; LEO (now retired)

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        • #5
          TJW
          Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 265

          Check with Customs and Border Protection, I bet they have policy that clearly answers those questions.

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          • #6
            jewie27
            Junior Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 90

            Originally posted by jayhuh
            Yeah. Why not just check with your agency? They could probably provide a more definitive answer than a gun forum.
            because I don't start academy until July. Coming in from a local agency.

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            • #7
              jewie27
              Junior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 90

              Originally posted by L-2
              I wasn't a Federal LEO, but a local LEO. If I was to come across the OP, who had a badge and Federal LEO I.D. he/she would likely be good-to-go, unless a further phone call to some type of agency/department OK was needed (might depend upon the situation).

              On some type of routine stop, I wouldn't be getting into the Federal departmental policy or regulations as to what may be carried. From my current friends/acquaintances who are Federal LEOs/CBP/HS, there was some talk of only being "covered" in some way with the department issued CBP G19Gen5 (and previously the HK P2000), but carrying off-duty isn't required at all and some were comfortable carrying whatever they wanted off-duty.
              All I could find online is that the CBP Glock is authorized to be carried 24 hrs. a day as long as the officer is in possession of their Badge and Creds. I could not find the Authorized Equipment List for off-duty firearms. I'm from a local agency and starting CBP academy in July. Looking at what I may want to buy and sell out of my collection. My current agency only allows what is on their list so that's why I was curious.

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              • #8
                kwest10
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2007
                • 606

                Originally posted by TJW
                Check with Customs and Border Protection, I bet they have policy that clearly answers those questions.
                You?d think? Maybe there is, but good luck finding it.
                If you find it. Let me know
                Enjoy FLETC. It?s a real shart-hole. Bring your car if you can.

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                • #9
                  Rogue187
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 1157

                  So technically you won't be any kind of LE till you complete the academy and are issued your badge and creds.

                  You will be required to attend FLETC and while you are there you won't be able to carry any firearm as you would not be considered an LEO till graduation.

                  You will most likely be issued your assigned duty firearm while in the academy. Your gun will be locked up unless you have firearms training other times you will wear a red-gun. FLETC is a gun free area. You see others walking with duty belts on but only red guns in the holsters.

                  During my time with DOJ, we were only allowed to carry the department-issued firearm ONLY. If CBP allows you anything else you would still need to get FAD approval.

                  Don't run before you know the walk.

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                  • #10
                    mossy
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 7301

                    Originally posted by kwest10
                    You?d think? Maybe there is, but good luck finding it.
                    If you find it. Let me know
                    Enjoy FLETC. It?s a real shart-hole. Bring your car if you can.
                    The pollen is on a completely different level out there. I was a mess till I got a few packs of benadryl from FLETC express.
                    best troll thread in calguns history
                    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=406739



                    burn the circus down cuz the world is full of clowns

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                    • #11
                      jewie27
                      Junior Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 90

                      Originally posted by mossy
                      The pollen is on a completely different level out there. I was a mess till I got a few packs of benadryl from FLETC express.
                      thanks for the heads up. i always take allergy meds.

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                      • #12
                        jewie27
                        Junior Member
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 90

                        Originally posted by Rogue187
                        So technically you won't be any kind of LE till you complete the academy and are issued your badge and creds.

                        You will be required to attend FLETC and while you are there you won't be able to carry any firearm as you would not be considered an LEO till graduation.

                        You will most likely be issued your assigned duty firearm while in the academy. Your gun will be locked up unless you have firearms training other times you will wear a red-gun. FLETC is a gun free area. You see others walking with duty belts on but only red guns in the holsters.

                        During my time with DOJ, we were only allowed to carry the department-issued firearm ONLY. If CBP allows you anything else you would still need to get FAD approval.

                        Don't run before you know the walk.
                        I always do as much research ahead of time. No need for negativity. It's not my first academy.

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                        • #13
                          Rogue187
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 1157

                          Originally posted by mossy
                          The pollen is on a completely different level out there. I was a mess till I got a few packs of benadryl from FLETC express.
                          I ended up in the health unit using a nebulizer and then on the weekend ended up at the hospital for breathing treatments.

                          The pollen they get is crazy.. everything was coated green. I'm from the West Coast We don't get that crazy levels. ever..

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                          • #14
                            Rogue187
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 1157

                            Originally posted by jewie27
                            I always do as much research ahead of time. No need for negativity. It's not my first academy.
                            This sounds like it's going to be your first job in the feds. So you need to put aside everything you learned prior to FLETC. Don't be that one student that spouts off that I did this in my prior agency. DHS/CBP is completely different.

                            It will be your first time at FLETC.

                            The questions you are asking just make you sound like a rookie. Your going into a career and asking about carrying a firearm other than your issue.

                            Get the badge and creds first which come at graduation.

                            You can take this as harshly or as easily as you wish. Just know the walk of shame is the same for everyone that doesn't make it thru FLETC.

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                            • #15
                              esy
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 1187

                              Originally posted by Rogue187
                              This sounds like it's going to be your first job in the feds. So you need to put aside everything you learned prior to FLETC. Don't be that one student that spouts off that I did this in my prior agency. DHS/CBP is completely different.

                              It will be your first time at FLETC.

                              The questions you are asking just make you sound like a rookie. Your going into a career and asking about carrying a firearm other than your issue.

                              Get the badge and creds first which come at graduation.

                              You can take this as harshly or as easily as you wish. Just know the walk of shame is the same for everyone that doesn't make it thru FLETC.
                              It?s very similar when we teach firearms to recruits who have had extensive training or to officers from other agencies. We?re not here to say everything we do/teach is the end all, be all, but if your method is better than ours, we?re all ears. If it isn?t, then can we get on with the regularly scheduled program, please?

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