CHP: What is my SAFE Speed?

[Scratch705]

rear side windows are legal. only driver/front passenger side windows can't be tinted plus front windshield. the rear side(4 door car) and rear windshield can be tinted to whatever you want.

tint shops can install it however the customer orders it, since they make you sign a wavier saying that you understand the laws on tint, and that the car is a off-road use only (if tinting front windshield/ driver/front passenger windows) like how gun shops are absolved of any wrong doing if a customer bought a gun, then killed someone with it.

some tint shops even cash in on the illegal-ness and offer "insurance" that if you get ticket, and have to take off the tint, you can bring the car back, and they will re-tint for free or lower than usual cost.

[jlh95811]

Your question was asked and answered. Tint shops can apply anything to the rear windows. NOT to the side windows. Though, they are not te ones to receive the citation, so you pay for this at your own risk. End of story.

Relax guy.

[nicki]

Traffic tickets.

There are sites dedicated to dealing with speeding tickets, but the bottom line is the law needs to be fixed.

On roads with speed limts of 50 mph or less, traffic engineering surveys are supposed to be done within 5 years to measure flow of traffic. The speed limit is supposed to be what the top 85th percentile of traffic flows, generally it is rounded down so that it is in 5 mph increments.

You can make a arguement that if you were driving say 45mph in a 35 mph zone at 12am and there was no traffic, that even though you were exceeding the speed limit, that it was a safe speed for conditions.

On the highways were the speed limit is 55mph or higher, the rules are different, the speed limit is what it says, period.

They don't do traffic surveys and even if they did, the state limits max speed on highways to 65/70mph.

If you say you were going 70 in a 65 in traffic court, you are guilty, you really have no defense except the mercy of the court.

Generally speaking, most police won't bother you if you are 5mph over, if you are 6 to 10mph over, maybe. If you are more than 10 mph over the limit, you are risking a ticket.

Alot also depends on the road. Traffic saftey zones increase risk of tickets substantially.

Motorcyle cops probably hand tickets out faster than say crusiers.

The police are switching over to laser guns, so your radar detector won't help much. There are products that you can put on the front of your car that will make it difficult for laser to lock onto you car.

Driving at the speed limit on highways is dangerous. Most cars I see who do drive at the speed limit also tailgate. My definition of tailgating is having less than 2 seconds space between you and the car in front of you.

Driving the speed limit also means you will have other drivers tailgating you.

Personally I believe that the highway speed limits should be set by honest traffic surveys done when traffic is free flowing and set at the upper 85 percentile.

Of course that would mean that speed limits would increase to probably have to be increased to 75 mph in the urban areas and probably 80 to 85 mph on the rural roads.

As car technology improves, average traffic speeds would increase and speed limits would have to increase accordingly.

For all you safety nannies out there who think the speed limit should be followed, I dare you to put a bumper sticker on your car saying the following:

This vehicle's owner supports speed limit enforcement and if it exceeds the posted speed limit, please pull car over and ticket the driver.

When it comes to speed limits, people vote with their gas pedal.

Unfortunately we have a country full of sheep, that is why it took 20 years to get rid of the 55mph.

If you guys think things are bad now, wait to you see what the "Safety Nannies" would like to do because they are already doing it full scale in Europe.

How about "Hidden speed enforcement cameras".

Went to Phoenix last month for NRA convention, rented a car and drove highways in Phoenix and they have photo enforcement on the highways.

Fortunately they have "Warning signs" and they are set 11 over the posted limit.

Imagine driving on highways with "no warnings" and no latitude for driving over the limit.

How long would it take for most of us to get 3 or 4 speeding tickets?
This is what Europeans deal with.

At least they have 75 and 80 mph speed limits and in Germany, open limits on some highways.

England wants to put mandatory GPS in all cars so that they can track you, tax you and control how fast you operate your car via satellite control.

Remember, the English are now "unarmed subjects".

I am not against traffic laws for legitimate safety, but I have a big issue with speed limits that are set 10 to 15mph below what traffic would naturally flow at and then drivers getting "speeding tickets".

When the 55mph was ended, highway deaths did not skyrocket, even in Montana, where for a few years, they had open and prudent as the state speed limit.

Must have really bothered highway patrol to watch people routinely driving 80 to 90mph and they couldn't ticket them.

Motana had to put a state speed limit when their Supreme court ruled that the highway patrol couldn't write speeding tickets.

For 5 months Montana had NO SPEED LIMITS ON THEIR HIGHWAYS until the legislature enacted a 75mph speed limit. A not so funny thing happened though after speed limits were enacted for our own good, traffic fatalities increased.

Now, if a committed group of people, say 500 to 1000 would commit to staging a peaceful protest against the state speed limts, the law would change.

The peaceful protest would be the following:

Every weekday in both the morning and evening in all the major cities, groups of people would drive at the posted speed limits blocking all lanes so that traffic could not drive above the speed limit, in effect, citizen enforcement of the speed limit.

It would cause alot of pain in the state, people would be pissed. It would be covered by the news because it is something that would effect everyone.

Now of course drivers should not tailgate, but in reality traffic would snarl up and tempers would flare and there probably would be more accidents.

The longer the pressure is kept on, the more angry people would get and the phone calls to the legislature would get their attention.

If reasonable demands were made, the legislature would cave.

Staging "Civil disobedience" by forcing the population to actually obey "Speed limits" to force our servants to "redress our grievances" is what the first amendment is about.

I figure the CHP wouldn't be too happy with our actions and would probably harass those who would be 'just driving the speed limit".

As far as "Obstructing the flow of traffic", the traffic shouldn't be flowing above the speed limit on roads with the 65/70 mph because those limits are so called "Absolutes".

Nicki

[1923mack]

I will give you my unhappy speeding ticket story. Driving on interstate 5 a bit north of Sacramento, early morning, clear sky, very light traffic, speed limit 70 mph. I am driving 64 mph and a CHP pulls a u-turn in the median to give me a speeding ticket. I had an empty car hauling trailer behind my F250. Trailer law does state 55 mph max. I could not believe the an officer would go out of his way to give me a speeding ticket for 7 mph over the truck limit in these conditions. Most 18 wheelers were blowing me off the slow lane when I was driving at 60/65 mph. I went to court to argue the ticket, hoping the officer would not show up. He did and I lost. I have a CDL (commercial drivers license) so cannot take traffic school. Point added to record.

[jlh95811]

That's a great idea nicki. Not only would all the police and CHP be limited by the line of slow cars but it would give the state no speeding ticket revenue. That would hurt them quite a bit.

[yzErnie]

I know they can right as many as they see fit. But there is a number that the department as a whole MUST produce. If they do not do so in consecutive months their budget gets decreased.

Very interesting....do you have anything to prove this information? That would essentially mean a quota and quotas were deemed illegal years ago.

Unless you can provide proof of your above comment it certainly sounds like bad info to me.

[botsdots]

most of my cop friends dislike giving tickets, but one admits: "A ticket a day keeps the sergeant away."

[webfoots]

That's a great idea nicki. Not only would all the police and CHP be limited by the line of slow cars but it would give the state no speeding ticket revenue. That would hurt them quite a bit.

The state gets none of the money from tickets written by the CHP or any other agency. All of it goes to the cities and counties that the violations occurred in.

You should really stop posting since nearly everything you have posted so far has been incorrect...

[GuyW]

The speed limit is supposed to be what the top 85th percentile of traffic flows,

It's the bottom 85%....
.

[Ron-Solo]

Tint shops would all be closed down if this were the case. I've never heard anyone I know or anyone I've met for that matter talk about getting a ticket for tint unless it was on the winshield or they went with a darker tint than allowed on the front two.

There are a couple different shades of tint. The number gets smaller as the tint gets darker.

Limo's use double the darkest tint available which is 5 tint. My car has a single layer of 5. It is just on the rear window and 2 rear sides. Tint darker than a 90 is illegal on the front two and any tint is illegal on the windshield.

Most factory cars from the shop today come with 20 tint on the rear and 2 rear sides. Yet some only use 50 tint.

If it were illegal they would not let the auto manufacturers sell the car.

What the vehicle code you showed is talking about is items that need be affixed to the windows that may obstruct the view. Such as GPS Units, Sun Shades, and non-transparent decals.

This is why SO MANY PEOPLE get tickets for their tinting. It is not illegal for the tint shop to sell it or install it. It's just illegal for you to drive it on a highway. Any tinting applied to the side mirrors is illegal in CA, just the light tinting usually gets a pass.

[Ron-Solo]

I thought the CVC said the "buffer" was 3MPH.
I got popped for CVC 22348 [b] excess 100mph in 65mph........the officer sure was nice for how fast i was going with a passenger thanks CHP
Just dont speed no jammer or detector will save you the officer is going to know you are jamming his gun. The detector only warns you.

There is NO codified "buffer" in the CVC. Most officers will give a little on a practical basis that speedometers can be off a little. Technically speaking, you can be cite for 1 mph over, but I think most of us would agree that it is a little C/S barring other aggrevating circumstances.

[Ron-Solo]

I had a CHip watch be jump on the HW then existed. I was not speeding but he warched me then followed me in town.. I was sitting at the light and he lite me up....LOL! He did this over a simple fix ticket. Waste of my time and his.....I was on my motorcycle....A week later I got another fix ticket on my motorcyle for something else (minor) and there was a speeding 300zx who passed me and cut me off in front of the Chip. But he was only concerned with me............
10 fix ticket compared to a 200 speeding ticket............
I seen motorcycles getting pulled over left and right for about 2 weeks straight in my area so it must of been some motorcycle enforcement thing go on.....

Is this a question? This forum is not for you to air your gripes about law enforcement.

[FLIGHT762]

This is why SO MANY PEOPLE get tickets for their tinting. It is not illegal for the tint shop to sell it or install it. It's just illegal for you to drive it on a highway. Any tinting applied to the side mirrors is illegal in CA, just the light tinting usually gets a pass.

This is the section for applying it.


26708.5. (a) No person shall place, install, affix, or apply any transparent material upon the windshield, or side or rear windows, of any motor vehicle if the material alters the color or reduces the light transmittance of the windshield or side or rear windows, except as provided in subdivision (b), (c), or (d) of Section 26708.

Granted, the car has to operated on the highway. I once found a car with dark tinting on the windshield driving on the street. The plates on the car were manufacturers plates from Michigan(Detroit) .The driver was a factory rep with a brand new car model being used in a commercial for T.V.


It's illegal for the tinting shops to install it illegally, but they do it all the time. It's just not possible to enforce it. I went to our local tint shops and tried to educate them, but it didn't work. It's easier to enforce it when someone is driving on the streets with it.

[DNA]

Finally, reason!

Dan

[MiguelS]

The SAFE speed is when you just dont act like an idiot to the CHP after yoget pulled over. There is a speed limit and if you are over it alot or a little it is at the descretion of the CHP.

I have been pulled over 4 times.

1. About 85/65. I just had installed a new drive shaft and it was vibrating. I told the CHP about how fast I was going and the reason why. Still not a valid reason, but he let me go. He had me raise my right hand and told me to say that I would not speed anymore in his area.

2. Going 75/65. Guy gave me a ticket, was pretty rude when he came up to me. So I just kept quiet and signed the ticket and left.

3. Going 75/65. Again was let go...told him that my last tix was about 3 years ago. I guess he checked and said thank you for being honest and gave me a fix it ticket for not have a front license plate.

4. Going 90/65, so they estimate. I had just Willows (ThunderHill) in the morning and I was driving on the fast lane...I guess some people I zipped by called CHP. I actually pulled over to put gas at a Chevron and pulled back on the freeway. I had 3 CHP cars waiting for me before I go onto the 80. Motorcycle pulled me over after seeing me on the opposite side and crossed the grassy median. I think I was going close to 100 though. But they said the plane got me at 90. I just signed my ticket, did the online course and paid the fees. That was about 19 months ago...so I am clear for another ticket.

So if you are not an arse to them, usually I would get a warning.

There is a speed limit and abide by it. If you don't want to and get pulled over don't complain if you get a ticket.

Also, if you are in the fast lane and there is someone coming up behind you...just them them by...you making them change lanes at high speed can cause an accident.