george floyd

[edw794]

can anyone tell me how floyd ended up from being cuffed and standing, to laying on the ground face down with a knee on his neck? i must have missed it.

[johnthomas]

Well, he was on drugs.

[Master_Prestige]

Watch the body cam footage and decide for yourself ?

[esy]

Are you LEO? If you’re not, you wouldn’t have ever had to deal with a resistive subject, cuffed or not.

[skyscraper]

How about ask the people who were there? Why would anyone on this forum know?



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[negolien]

The above was funny and true both lol. We know the footage release has been willy nilly that's one of the problems. Drips and drabs to fit the media narrative. Just like the Newest Atlanta Shooting..

Floyds main issue IMHO was the meth and fentanyl on board. I have seen footage of him struggling in the vehicle though. I have seen footage of him going limp right BEFORE they made the initial insertion on the opposite side he ends up on. Might have been waiting for EMS..you know that's kinda why we wait for investigations though right? Not let the mob decide what THEY think is appropriate use of force.

[IrishJoe3]

Why Derek Chauvin May Get Off His Murder Charge

https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911

[starlight]

can anyone tell me how floyd ended up from being cuffed and standing, to laying on the ground face down with a knee on his neck? i must have missed it.

- this podunk city got rid of the paddy-wagons from their budget

- floyd resisted going into the back of the crown-vic

- he was pulled out to be 'subduded further'...

- 20 years ago they would've tossed him in the wagon and locked the doors

- many departments are getting rid of paddy-wagons

- this makes some less likley to want someone going ape-sh*t 2" behind them divided by only plexi-glass

- paddy wagons were literally invented to deal with wanton/violent resistors...

- "The need for a paddy-wagon was realised when prisoners who were resisting arrest needed to be transported. The concern was that if transported in a conventional patrol car, the prisoner might attack the officers during the journey." - wiki











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[sigguy552]

- this podunk city got rid of the paddy-wagons from their budget

- floyd resisted going into the back of the crown-vic

- he was pulled out to be 'subduded further'...

- 20 years ago they would've tossed him in the wagon and locked the doors

- many departments are getting rid of paddy-wagons

- this makes some less likley to want someone going ape-sh*t 2" behind them divided by only plexi-glass

- paddy wagons were literally invented to deal with wanton/violent resistors...

- "The need for a paddy-wagon was realised when prisoners who were resisting arrest needed to be transported. The concern was that if transported in a conventional patrol car, the prisoner might attack the officers during the journey." - wiki











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One of my best friends who was an sjpd cop got a verbal tongue lashing for the use of the phrase "paddy wagon" over the radio as his Sgt was Irish. RIP Michael Johnson #3718. I'm glad he doesn't have to see the bullsh1t that's going on now.

While Chris Rock made this skit as a comedy spoof, there's a lot of truth here:

https://youtu.be/OEvMc-K8XHY

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[P5Ret]

- this podunk city got rid of the paddy-wagons from their budget

- floyd resisted going into the back of the crown-vic

- he was pulled out to be 'subduded further'...

- 20 years ago they would've tossed him in the wagon and locked the doors

- many departments are getting rid of paddy-wagons

- this makes some less likley to want someone going ape-sh*t 2" behind them divided by only plexi-glass

- paddy wagons were literally invented to deal with wanton/violent resistors...

- "The need for a paddy-wagon was realised when prisoners who were resisting arrest needed to be transported. The concern was that if transported in a conventional patrol car, the prisoner might attack the officers during the journey." - wiki











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Not quite accurate. The term "Paddy wagon" comes from NY, and it was a horse drawn wagon long before patrol cars. Used to transport prisoners, and cops to the outlying beats, many of whom just happened to be mostly of Irish decent.

[M76]

It was staged and used to start a civil war

[gumby]

Why Derek Chauvin May Get Off His Murder Charge

https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why...ge-2e2ad8d0911

This is being talked about at my uncle's law firm.

[SonofWWIIDI]

- this podunk city got rid of the paddy-wagons from their budget

- floyd resisted going into the back of the crown-vic

- he was pulled out to be 'subduded further'...

- 20 years ago they would've tossed him in the wagon and locked the doors

- many departments are getting rid of paddy-wagons

- this makes some less likley to want someone going ape-sh*t 2" behind them divided by only plexi-glass

- paddy wagons were literally invented to deal with wanton/violent resistors...

- "The need for a paddy-wagon was realised when prisoners who were resisting arrest needed to be transported. The concern was that if transported in a conventional patrol car, the prisoner might attack the officers during the journey." - wik
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[Samuelx]

FIFY...

[RCxRC]

From what I have gathered, Floyd complained that he was "claustrophobic" and resisted being put into the back of the patrol vehicle. Whether he actually resisted, passively or actively, or just complained I have no idea. Whether his state of mind, drugs, etc had anything to do with his behavior I do not know. Unless we were there, we just don't know.

Speaking only from my own experience, in most cases where you have a resistive / combative suspect (defendant) who may be under the influence, or "goes limp" (intentional passive resistance), or is simply to difficult to gain control of (active resistive) in order to squeeze them into the back seat of a unit and seatbelt them in (usually into a Ford Explorer these days), we will order up a paramedic unit from the local FD. 4 or5 pt restraint, handcuffed to the gurney, officer escort to the hospital first (usually a LA County Hospital). This is in the SoCal / Metro L.A. area.

Per most agency policies, anyone subjected to a carotid restraint must be transported and treated at a hospital first before getting an "ok to book" form signed off on by the attending physician (usually after an exam and x-rays or other radiology is done). Same for anyone "TARP'd" (Total Appendage Restraint) aka hobble tie to ankle or knees, and hobble then clipped to handcuffs; similar to but more relaxed restraint than the old "hog-tied" process, where the person can at least sit upright in a sitting position or on their side, without undue stress to the lower back/chest in a way that may make it difficult to breathe).

Usually anyone exposed to pepper spray must also be MT'd (medically treated), but often this can be done "in the field" by FD, or at the local jail if they have a nurse on-duty.