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The guy was tired. 
Give him a break. 
He should not loose his job over it.
Give him a break. He should not loose his job over it.
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I met him once, and was not impressed. I know many of the SO deputies that work Cupertino (Cupertino has no police force, they hire the SO), and I like all of the other deputies I've had dealings with. They have been very helpful in cases at the large properties I have charge of, with mostly all of the incidents (copper theft, burglary, trespassing, etc.) happening since the meeting with Deputy Council. I felt like, but didn't, call his superior, because he was obviously new to the job and backed down from an obnoxious and ridiculous attitude, but suffice it to say, I didn't think he was getting off to a very good start in PR. But I can't take any satisfaction is he's gone from LE in this manner, since 2 lives were lost. Hopefully, everyone will get on with their lives.Free Gun & Ammo $$$ from the State
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"Let those find fault whose wit's so very small,
They've need to show that they can think at all;
Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;
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that's some rough justice. I feel more sympathy for the BART cop than I do Council but he'll probably end up with harsher penalties.
Last edited by chickenfried; 06-04-2009, 9:50 PM.sigpicOriginally posted by victor1echoComment
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WTF!!!
Council's attorney, Mike Rains, said Council hopes to eventually reapply for his job as a deputy.Council chose to plead guilty, he said, to spare the victims' families a painful trial. There was a good case for acquittal, Rains contended, because Stanford Medical Center found that Council has mild sleep apnea that was exacerbated by a bad cold and fitful sleep the evening before the crash.But Rains said Council will not exercise his right to appeal Smith's decision, calling it a "fair compromise.'sigpicOriginally posted by victor1echoComment
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I'm no lawyer but as I understand it, the law looks at intent. Council exhibited no malice. No malice = no vehicular gross negligence = no felony. Couple that with being a first-time offender/killer ... As someone who used to do a lot of road bicycling, including on the same road that the cyclists were killed, and who is now fat and happy to ride a motorcycle on South Bay roads, I dunno. I want justice for the dead. One day I may end up like them, killed by somebody who took his eyes off the road and then plowed into me from behind or the side.
But time and time again, the law gives drivers what amounts to a "slap on the wrist" for the unlawful vehicular killing of bicyclists and motorcyclists. It's not fair. But it is what it is. In this instance I would quote Dickens: "The law is a ***."x
"Let those find fault whose wit's so very small,
They've need to show that they can think at all;
Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;
He who would search for pearls, must dive below." -- John DrydenComment
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I hear you Masa. I would've been happy with the same penalty you or I would've received for committing the same act. I don't feel what Council received is it.sigpicOriginally posted by victor1echoComment
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To the OP, PC15 baby!!! (the ole Academy Question)
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What a shame. Two dead and the officer gets a "minimal" sentence. I was frankly surprised by his agencies apparent stand to rehire him as a CSO or what ever.
The Officer messed up BIG TIME and two are dead. Nothing good comes from these accidents or situations. Regarding his Admin leave time off. Even Cops are entitled to due process. Just because they have been accused of a crime does not mean they are guilty. So since there has been no conviction there is usually no termination until a guilty verdict is reached.
Many time the officer can still be fired even after an innocent verdict due to violations of departmental policy's which are much stricter than criminal law.
That said, in a obvious crime situation the officer is usually fired when the D.A. files charges.Poke'm with a stick!
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He'll be paying for the rest of his life in one way or another. I know how it is, having worked double shifts back to back and almost falling asleep behind the wheel.
If you work 2-10's and then are forced to work 10-6, that ride home is no joke.
Employers really need to rethink their forced OT policy. I think that holding someone over for four hours is safer than the full eight.Comment
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