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  • masameet
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 4487

    Does a LEO automatically lose his job ...

    ... Once he is convicted or accepts a plea deal for a crime?

    Just wondering about the Santa Clara sheriff's deputy who said he fell asleep at the wheel of his patrol car last year. His car crossed the DY and killed two competitive bicycle riders. Today he accepted a plea deal for two counts of misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter. Since the accident, he has been on paid administrative leave.
    James Council, who originally pleaded not guilty and was scheduled to go on trial Monday, reached a deal this morning, according to Amy Cornell, a spokeswoman with the Santa Clara County District Attorney's Office.

    Council will be sentenced to four months in county jail and 800 hours of community service, according to Cornell. He will also be placed on three years' formal probation, ordered to pay restitution to the victims' families and standard fines and fees.
    San Jose Mercury News
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    Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;
    He who would search for pearls, must dive below." -- John Dryden
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    CaptMike
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2006
    • 1272

    there is a good chance that he will be encouraged to "retire" from the department. Conduct unbecoming a peace officer is grounds for termination in most departments. It is really up to the department to decide if he can stay on or go. The situation you mentioned could be grounds for a conduct unbecoming case.

    The law is strict and states that a Felon may not be a peace officer, but misdemeaners may not require an officer be fired. The chance is there. If the department knows that they will fire him for what he did, they may encourage him to retire so he does not lose any benefits he may have already earned. I know a guy who was a peace officer that was part of a motorcycle club. Without him knowing it, one of the members of his group was carrying illegal narcotics accross the us border when they went on a weekend motorcycle run to mexico. Since they were all wearing the same motorcycle club jacket, the feds turned it in to a conspiracy case. This guy had no idea that the illegal contraband was on that person. Well, when his case looked like it was not winnable, he was encouraged to retire. He retired and was convicted of a felony so his law enforcement days are over. Hope that answers your question. stay safe
    A life is not important, except for the impact it has on other lives- Jackie Robinson

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    • #3
      masameet
      Veteran Member
      • Jun 2008
      • 4487

      Earlier this year Sac SD separated one of their deputies from the force. He was under suspicion for murdering a corrections officer. Took SSD like a week to fire him.

      But that's a felony. So a misdemeanor carries as much weight regarding conduct unbecoming an officer? Makes sense. Still the gravity of Council's alleged falling asleep at the wheel is so huge. Since Santa Clara's Sheriff accepted responsibility for those bicyclists' death, I'm surprised they allowed Council to accept paid admin leave for more than a year. But then again, according to the SJ Mercury News article, SCSD knew he had a history of DUI.

      As to that ex-LEO in that mc club ... I know one motor cop who says he pretty much vets the riders he rides with on his personal time. Since the stakes are so high, it makes sense for a cop to know the habits and attitudes of his friends.

      Man, you guys can't be too careful about much of anything, huh?

      Thanks for your answer, LtMike70.
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      "Let those find fault whose wit's so very small,
      They've need to show that they can think at all;
      Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;
      He who would search for pearls, must dive below." -- John Dryden

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      • #4
        BigDogatPlay
        Calguns Addict
        • Jun 2007
        • 7362

        I think Deputy Council has maybe a year or two on the job so he's not going to be urged to retire. His actions behind the wheel and his actions post crash are going to cost the county a lot of money and I can't imagine they are going to be well disposed to giving him a disability pension because that's all he'd be eligible for.

        He's going to be encouraged to resign and if he refuses to get with the program it's certain (IMO) that he'd eventually be fired, unless he has a much better rabbi than any of us know about or give him credit for.

        Either way, his law enforcement career was done the instant his car hit those three bicyclists. He was reported by witnesses on scene to be saying exactly that.

        I wish him well and hope he can get on with the rest of his life.
        -- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun

        Not a lawyer, just a former LEO proud to have served.

        Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison

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          battleship
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2008
          • 4959

          Anyone else would be doing jail time for hitting those bicyclists, he should be to.

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          • #6
            Seesm
            Calguns Addict
            • Nov 2008
            • 7812

            Sounds like a absolutely terrible TERRIBLE deal that there is no winners...

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            • #7
              chickenfried
              Calguns Addict
              • Oct 2005
              • 7160

              Dude you're tougher than judge judy. A year of paid vacation, four months of house arrest, and 800 hours community service doesn't sound like enough punishment for ending two lives and injuring another person?

              Originally posted by battleship
              Anyone else would be doing jail time for hitting those bicyclists, he should be to.
              Originally posted by victor1echo
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              • #8
                bluestaterebel
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2006
                • 3052

                Originally posted by chickenfried
                Dude you're tougher than judge judy. A year of paid vacation, four months of house arrest, and 800 hours community service doesn't sound like enough punishment for ending two lives and injuring another person?

                where did you get house arrest from?
                Originally posted by 11Z50
                Since your myopic view is in concurrence with your cognizant lifespan on this planet, obviously less than 20 years, I will grant you a dispensation.

                Figure that out and exercise your mind.....

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                • #9
                  battleship
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 4959

                  Two people are dead because of him, and many lives affected terribly by his actions. I wonder how the families of the victims feel about him being paid on administrative leave. Thats just vacation pay to the rest of us. (House arrest) it says nothing of that, im sure he's been enabling himself nicely while hes had the time off work.
                  Getting fired, oh how terrible a thought that could be, his life is really over now - NOT.
                  Jail time - the punishment should fit the crime, anything less is just insulting to the victims family.

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                  • #10
                    chickenfried
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 7160

                    I guess it's not really house arrest it's "house arrest"
                    Santa Clara County prosecutor Ray Mendoza said the probation department will set the terms of his "house arrest," which could include permission to work.
                    Originally posted by victor1echo
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                    • #11
                      Seesm
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 7812

                      Originally posted by chickenfried
                      I guess it's not really house arrest it's "house arrest"

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                      • #12
                        tyrist
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 4564

                        No it is not an automatic job loss....if it was a felony conviction it would be since he could not own/possess a firearm.

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                        • #13
                          fourXfour
                          Member
                          • May 2006
                          • 391

                          I'm curious if anyone is more familiar with a case like this that has stiffer penalties? An accident where someone dies is not a crime. They had to prove negligence (which they did!) I'm not sure what the negligence was, but it was probably lack of sleep/sick/hungover. Misdemeanor conviction is a pretty stiff penalty and standard for the bay area. I don't believe there were drugs/alcohol/100+mph speeds.

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                          • #14
                            Ron-Solo
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                            • Jan 2009
                            • 8581

                            Originally posted by battleship
                            Anyone else would be doing jail time for hitting those bicyclists, he should be to.
                            What he got sounds like a typical plea bargain for a first time offender, regardless of his LE affiliation.
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                            Comment

                            • #15
                              CaliTheKid
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 546

                              FWIW most of the time judges go harder on LE when they are involved in crimes since they are expected to be held to a higher standard.
                              Last edited by CaliTheKid; 05-12-2009, 9:12 AM.

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