Question for LEOs

[ccw-g30]

wilderness medic;So cite for trespassing and send them on their way.

I would write the cite to create a paper trail. That way, when they resume BASE jumping after I'm 10-98 there will be proof that they knew their actions were illegal.

[wilderness medic]

I would write the cite to create a paper trail. That way, when they resume BASE jumping after I'm 10-98 there will be proof that they knew their actions were illegal.

[hmvan]

[wilderness medic]

At least initially but my personal objective would be to eliminate the safety risks that were obviously apparent.



Based on what proof?

If I didn't know what to do, which I don't based on the fact pattern given, SOP would be to report the matter to my supervisor (there's always a supervisor above you) and ask Operations to contact the property owner (if its private land) or the supervising agency (if its public land) and the owner/operator of the electrical tower to assess the risks AND then take instruction from my supervisors regarding how to proceed.

One thing that I absolutely would NOT do would be to climb up the tower to get them. LOL!

[hermosabeach]

OP

When I read your question, I though of this video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QNfgu-bYEvc

[P5Ret]

And your basis for that is what? Creating a paper trail provides a pretty clear trail, of past action's when someone is cited. In some county's DA's may let the first couple slide with just a fine or nothing at all, but after continued act's they tend to push a little harder.

[CBR_rider]

How is it odd? I'm curious how various LEOs would go about this situation, or what law they might feel was broken and citable.

[StraightShot04]

Let us know when you find out in person.

[P5Ret]

CYA is an essential skill to learn/exercise for any LEO who wants to remain an LEO throughout his/her career until retirement.

If that doesn't work a piece of advise from one of my Sgt's from early in my career also works sometimes, "Admit nothing, deny everything, and make counter-accusations". Although that was from a time before everyone had a cell phone camera.

[TRICKSTER]

Take out the shotgun and yell "PULL".

[wilderness medic]

Not good enough.

It certainly wouldn't be sufficient if they die and their heirs sue the city/county stating that the LEO on-site "allowed" them to fall to their deaths or get electrocuted on the tower (because they told him it was safe to be there and had been done thousands of time before) and therefore was "responsible" for their deaths.

By bringing my supervisors in, I'm CYA which, frankly, is what I'd also be worried about (apart from the personal/public safety issues) in the situation described. CYA is an essential skill to learn/exercise for any LEO who wants to remain an LEO throughout his/her career until retirement.

That’s understandable. I ask because I’ve had conversations with LE, some close friends, some aquiantances, and almost all have said they wouldn’t be concerned unless there were other circumstances like vandalism or doing it in front of a crowd. I even had one want to give me a ride to a place where it was legal to watch.

Now I understand it may and probably would be different if they know the person as opposed to it being a stranger, so I’m asking strangers.

I’ve also witnessed a warning from LE to a group of jumpers saying “Don’t do whatever it is you look like you’re going to do.” And the group consensus was confusion wether it was said as “I don’t see anything here I did my job and am leaving” or if he wanted to cite but no violation had happened yet so he couldn’t.

And your basis for that is what? Creating a paper trail provides a pretty clear trail, of past action's when someone is cited. In some county's DA's may let the first couple slide with just a fine or nothing at all, but after continued act's they tend to push a little harder.

My basis is that any serious jumper has already accepted they are trespassing and releasing tons of videos online as video evidence without care. Asking a question about how an officer would handle it is far from a concern of a “paper trail” especially since I don’t trespass and honestly wasn’t jumping when I witnessed the warning.

Not to mention that statute of limitations on trespassing is one year anyway.

[mej16489]

OP

When I read your question, I though of this video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QNfgu-bYEvc

I want to know how this ended...

[P5Ret]

So let's see you don't understand that in order for LE to arrest or cite for a misdemeanor it has to be committed in their presence, with a few narrow exception's, and trespassing isn't one of them. A youtube video isn't going to cut it for witnessing the violation, is it?

The question which you obviously didn't understand is what is your basis for the assumption that LE is not interested in creating a paper trail of continued violation's. I think it's pretty obvious that someone who is jumping off a high voltage transmission tower could careless about creating a paper trail for the court on themselves.

[downdiver2]

What a VERY VERY VERY Specific question - very odd. Very curious too.

[wilderness medic]

So let's see you don't understand that in order for LE to arrest or cite for a misdemeanor it has to be committed in their presence, with a few narrow exception's, and trespassing isn't one of them. A youtube video isn't going to cut it for witnessing the violation, is it?

The question which you obviously didn't understand is what is your basis for the assumption that LE is not interested in creating a paper trail of continued violation's. I think it's pretty obvious that someone who is jumping off a high voltage transmission tower could careless about creating a paper trail for the court on themselves.