SF Bay Area LEO's

[Gator Monroe]

As long as the bay area does not do what Los Angeles did and have the bureau commander come over the air and order Officers to not respond to what was happening (help calls from other units)...then put them in a staging area while the city burns and the firemen are shot at.

If it happens there needs to be a very swift and decisive move from Law Enforcement so the rioters know who is in charge. Also hoping the news media does not continually broadcast how people are looting with impunity would help as well.

If 100 officers would have cordoned off & held ground Florence & Normandy and had another 75 to 100 officers show up as back up promptly the riot could have been delayed or even stopped in it's infancy ! And the NG was deployed for almost 2 full days without Ammo ,WHAT A DEBACLE

[Steyrlp10]

"what is worth more, property or human lives? "
IMHO...depends on which human lives?

LEOs? Most certainly. Worth far more.

Scumbag rioters/looters? Absolutely not.

Amen.

[Steyrlp10]

I had to travel through Berkeley on my way home when the Rodney King fiasco was going on. What a mess!

A majority of the nimrods destroying property didn't give a hoot about Rodney King -- all too much like the Oakland mentality.

The first worry on my mind is the safety of the cops working to control stupid people. I come from a family of cops, so I'm biased. It never ceases to amaze me that the people who spit on cops are the first ones to scream for help when someone is kicking their hiney.

[trendar5]

He won't be convicted of murder. Manslaughter and/or negligent discharge probably. OPD and everybody else will take a stand and use force when the idiots try to tear things up. It will be kept in check, and won't get as bad as L.A.

[Stoner]

The demographics of Oakland have changed dramatically over the last 5-10 years. The Hispanics now well outnumber the black population. I’m guessing if they make the decision to contain the problem, they will be able to do that. They made decide to give them an area to burn down, as one person said, urban renewal.

My hope is the officer is not convicted of any crime, as I believe it was a training issue. We have come a long way since Rodney King, I just hope we have come far enough that we do not have to sacrifice any more officers to appease public opinion.

[Tankhatch]

It will not be the locals, whom will do the major damage. It will be the scums that are NOT locals, that will be doing the deeds.

[50 Freak]

I was in LA during the King riots. I marched with the rioters in DT LA. I was there with camera in hand and taking pics of all the damage.

To this day, I still remember watching the Sheriffs standing in a line around the Sheriffs building in DT LA watching the rioters tant and burn all the restuarants, shops around them. They had orders not to leave the building so basically did nothing. Made me a true believer in self reliance in a SHTF scenario. 911 will not help you in that situation....better to have a 1911 instead.

Oakland is doomed to burning unless that officer is dragged out in the street, drawn and quartered in public. Even then, we'll have Sharpton and J.Jackson saying the "white man got off easy".

Best thing to do if you are in Oakland is load up on ammo and dry goods, pull up a lawn chair and break out some marshmellows, cause the fires are going to be spectacular.

[proudamerican831]

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[bshnt2015]

"if you want peace, prepare for war"
"Epitoma Rei Militaris" by Vegetius

I pray it doesn't come to this, but the outcry for blood from the thugs are getting louder. I was working during the RK stuff in the bay area, what a time for a young cop on the street. Be safe.

[Ron-Solo]

During the King riots there was a little bit of a political feud going on between the Sheriff and the Chief of LAPD, who was out of town at the time. His people couldn't make a decision without him. The Sheriff was ready to move into Florence & Normandy but LAPD kept telling us they were getting ready to deploy "any second now" and by the time they did, it was out of control.

LAPD has a new Chief and he his definitely more decisive. All it takes is for one Watch Commander to hesitate or be indecisive about committing personnel, and any scene can get out of hand fast. With the speed of information today, the news media can spread images of lawlessness much faster, which gives courage to others to act out.

We still refer to the King riots as the "L.A. Triathalon - Shoot, Loot & Scoot" It was more about 'free TV's' and stealing things rather than a protest of conditions.

Many a small business was saved because the owners had their own firepower. Gotta love the images of the Korean shop owner bustin' rounds at people trying to take over his store!

My squad rolled to one report of a "Man with a Gun" in front of a liquor store on the Compton/Paramount border the 2nd night. As we rolled up, there was the Asian store owner and 3 friends standing guard in front of his store. No guns were visible, but I did notice one man practicing with a putter, using 12 gauge and .45 shells for balls. The conversation went something like this:

Me: Hey guys, you see any criminals around here with guns?

Shop Owner: On no, sergeant, no see anyone with guns here.

Me: OK, give us a call if you do.

Shop Owner: OK sergeant. You be careful. Lots of bad people out there. You need anything cold to drink we'll be here all night! Come back and visit.

As we drove off with the first cold drink in two days, we waved at each other knowing they were the good guys and on our team.

That store survived without a scratch. Not all good guys get badges, and unfortunately, not all badges are good guys, but we try to get rid of those.

For all you cops out there, picture driving down a city street, with looted stores in every direction, and obviously armed private individuals on roof tops protecting their stores, and feeling the safest you have been in days. Definitely a surreal experience.

BE SAFE !

[7222 Hawker]

CHP has a lot of resources they can put in place very quickly. During the war protests in SF, they put almost 2000 guys in the city almost overnight. I am sure they have a good ops plan working.

[SiegeX]

Has there been a date for the verdict yet?

Back in the RK riots, I was living in Northridge, about 20mi from DT LA and we didn't see any action. Now, however, I'm living in Santa Clara/Silicon Valley area. Although Oakland is still ~20mi away, San Jose is very close by. What is the likelihood of San Jose following suit if Oakland is burning and the majority of the LEO's are tied up on the East Bay?

[tazmanian devil dog]

Sometimes I wonder if Oakland burning is really that bad of an idea....

Think of the redevelopment opportunities.

Think of the marshmallows we could roast!!!

[SgtDinosaur]

Man, I just hope I don't have to sit on my roof all night. I'm getting too old for that BS. Guess I will if I have too, though. Seeing as how everyone will be tied up in Oakland and we only have about 1/2 of a police force things could get mighty interesting here, although I hope not.

[50 Freak]

You were one of them? You marched with them?

Yup, I was taking a photo class at the time. Figured rioting like that happened only every 20-30 years. So grabbed my camera and went along to witness history.

Have a problem with that?