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  • Paladin
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Dec 2005
    • 12411

    How to avoid this next time?

    I was watching the below video and was thinking of how to avoid things from going from bad to worse (shooting at fleeing van full of kids), next time. I was thinking if the back up cops shot out one of her tires (preferably a front one) using a near contact shot (muzzle to rubber) when they first arrived (~12 min in) at least they would know the Bad Gal and kids weren't going far or fast. Would that be a good idea? Would that violate any law or department policy (going by your own dept's policies)? Would that be a good policy to implement?

    Last edited by Paladin; 11-21-2018, 12:34 PM.
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    P5Ret
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2010
    • 6401

    Originally posted by Paladin
    I was watching the below video and was thinking of how to avoid things from going from bad to worse (shooting at fleeing van full of kids), next time. I was thinking if the back up cops shot out one of her tires (preferably a front one) using a near contact shot (muzzle to rubber) when they first arrived (~12 min in) at least they would know the Bad Gal and kids weren't going far or fast. Would that be a good idea? Would that violate any law or department policy (going by your own dept's policies)? Would that be a good policy to implement?

    Not the best idea. A much simpler solution would have been to block her van in to prevent her from leaving. Then get everyone out of the van, patience is the key in these situation's, I've got all day despite not really wanting to deal with it. You'd be surprised at how fast people want to get out, when you induce just a bit of OC to the party.

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    • #3
      Paladin
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Dec 2005
      • 12411

      Originally posted by P5Ret
      ... A much simpler solution would have been to block her van in to prevent her from leaving. ... You'd be surprised at how fast people want to get out, when you induce just a bit of OC to the party.
      240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives.

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      • #4
        CinnamonBear723
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 1874

        Haven't seen this video in quite some time. I agree that responding units should have blocked her in to prevent her escape. In the end, things evolve quickly in real life and sometimes you just don't/can't think of everything in the moment. Hopefully the state took those children and put her in a cage where she belongs.

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        • #5
          eta34
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2006
          • 2432

          Hopefully the cop shooting at the van is in a different profession as well.

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          • #6
            randomBytes
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1607

            Wow how dumb can you get, she turned a $150? fine into a felony?
            Perhaps tasing the teen who attacked the first officer would have helped.

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            • #7
              terry4130
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2010
              • 636

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              • #8
                chsk9
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2006
                • 1357

                Stop sticks anyone?

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                • #9
                  esy
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2012
                  • 1197

                  Originally posted by Paladin
                  I was watching the below video and was thinking of how to avoid things from going from bad to worse (shooting at fleeing van full of kids), next time. I was thinking if the back up cops shot out one of her tires (preferably a front one) using a near contact shot (muzzle to rubber) when they first arrived (~12 min in) at least they would know the Bad Gal and kids weren't going far or fast. Would that be a good idea? Would that violate any law or department policy (going by your own dept's policies)? Would that be a good policy to implement?

                  Any person who shall maliciously and willfully discharge a firearm at an inhabited dwelling house, occupied building, occupied motor vehicle, occupied aircraft, inhabited housecar, as defined in Section 362 of the Vehicle Code, or inhabited camper, as defined in Section 243 of the Vehicle Code, is guilty of a felony, and upon conviction shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for three, five, or seven years, or by imprisonment in the county jail for a term of not less than six months and not exceeding one year.
                  That would be the extreme end of the spectrum. PC 246.3 comes to mind before 246.

                  How to avoid it next time would be to have called for additional sooner. Giving the driver ample opportunity is fine. When the officer made the decision to arrest her and she decides to further solidify a good 148(a)(1) charge, then she gets dumped. If additional was called earlier and was already on scene, they would be able to detain the boy and other kids.

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