Ammo 2018

[Dutch3]

Just. Stop.

Do you have a problem with the letter of the law?

[DevilDawgJJ]

I saw some good prices on their site a few weeks ago but passed because I hadn't heard much about them.. Thanks!

I ordered a case of 10mm from them last month. They're GTG!

[TacopsDep417]

Dutch3 credentials are verifiable written certification from the head of the agency and it is signed by the head of the agency. I agree with you the law is the law so we’re in this paragraph does it say I need a letter. The letter is only required if your non sworn working in a law enforcement agency and you are ordering ammo for the agency as part of your job ex: law enforcement technicians, logistics, warehouse worker etc...

(b )( 1) Proper identification is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the
agency by which the purchaser or transferee is employed, identifying the purchaser or transferee
as a full-time paid peace officer who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of
the officer's duties.

[TacopsDep417]

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=30312.&lawCode=PEN

[CBR_rider]

I ordered a case of 10mm from them last month. They're GTG!

DAAAAANG IT! Not that they were tons cheaper but I would have saved a few bucks.. I just didn't want to get burned (and wound up ordering from Freedom Munitions; so at least my money went to a good company. Love Freedom and SGAmmo).

[BadKitty]

(b )( 1) Proper identification is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the
agency by which the purchaser or transferee is employed, identifying the purchaser or transferee
as a full-time paid peace officer who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of
the officer's duties.


Your credentials as a sworn officer may suffice. I hope they do. But if a vendor requires signed certification from your boss (because that is what the law says), are you going to argue about it?

I'm looking at the back of my credentials now.


Identified as a peace officer. Check.

Signature of the head of my agency. Check.


Yep. Good to go.

[Dutch3]

Like I said, I hope it works for you. If not, you may need to provide addtional signed certification. Don't shoot the messenger.

[DevilDawgJJ]

DAAAAANG IT! Not that they were tons cheaper but I would have saved a few bucks.. I just didn't want to get burned (and wound up ordering from Freedom Munitions; so at least my money went to a good company. Love Freedom and SGAmmo).

Roger that! I waited until PMC was in stock (took about 3 months) and shipped to my door for 31 cents a round. Reasonably priced for that brand.

Enjoy the fruits of your labor sir!

[esy]

Do you have a problem with the letter of the law?

No, however, you have a problem comprehending several posts saying the same thing over and over.

Just so you know, I wasn't even calling you a hater or whatever. I simply pointed out certain things for you and reiterated what had already been said. You are the one choosing not to understand it. So, to reiterate:

Just. Stop.

[Dutch3]

No, however, you have a problem comprehending several posts saying the same thing over and over.

Just so you know, I wasn't even calling you a hater or whatever. I simply pointed out certain things for you and reiterated what had already been said. You are the one choosing not to understand it. So, to reiterate:

Just. Stop.

What I understand is that many don't realize they are at the mercy of the vendor and what the vendor will accept as proof of employment.

Thanks for not jumping on the hater bandwagon. My employment requires the equivalent of a COE and FBI rapback on a continuing basis. I am one of the 'good guys', regardless of the trash you might find here.

I am not trying to stir anything up here. Peace.

[esy]

What I understand is that many don't realize they are at the mercy of the vendor and what the vendor will accept as proof of employment.

Thanks for not jumping on the hater bandwagon. My employment requires the equivalent of a COE and FBI rapback on a continuing basis. I am one of the 'good guys', regardless of the trash you might find here.

I am not trying to stir anything up here. Peace.

Therein lies the BIG difference. According to the law, the vast majority, if not all, of LEO's credentials satisfy what it requires.

IF a business chooses not to abide by the law then that is on them. No peace officer is breaking the law here. This thread was created to notify other peace officers of the businesses that are following the law.

[iano1]

I like SGammo... my favorite lately has been Targetsportsusa... anyone hear from them?

[Quiet]

CA laws as chaptered...

PC 30312(c)(1) applies to non-sworn employees of a LE agency.
^These people require written authorization from the LE agency they are employed with.

PC 30312(c)(2) applies to sworn employees (LEOs) of a LE agency.
^These people just need to show their LEO credentials.

It is up to the individual out-of-state vendor to determine what documentation is required to satisfy these exemptions requirements.
^So far, bare minimum appears to be:
... for PC 30312(c)(1), LE agency ID and LE agency authorization letter.
... for PC 30312(c)(2), LE agency ID indicating the employee is a sworn LEO.


Penal Code 30312
(a)(1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.
(2) When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction. The ammunition vendor shall promptly and properly deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, if the sale is not prohibited, as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise. If the ammunition vendor cannot legally deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, the vendor shall forthwith return the ammunition to the seller. The ammunition vendor may charge the purchaser an administrative fee to process the transaction, in an amount to be set by the Department of Justice, in addition to any applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to the provisions of this title.
(b) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery, or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section and Article 3 (commencing with Section 30342) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4 of this part.
(c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:
(1) An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state or federal government, if the sale, delivery, or transfer is for exclusive use by that government agency and, prior to the sale, delivery, or transfer of the ammunition, written authorization from the head of the agency employing the purchaser or transferee is obtained, identifying the employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the exclusive use of the agency employing the individual.
(2) A sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.

Penal Code 30314
(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(2) A sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.

[Quiet]

That is AB-1516, which was in the 15-16 session. No longer valid.

We are now under Prop 63, relevant text follows. Have a nice day.

f&t-(7) An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state
or federal government, if the sale or other transfer of ownership is for exclusive use by that
government agency, and, prior to the sale, delivery, or transfer of the handgun ammunition,
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Arndt.
written authorization from the head of the agency authorizing the transaction is presented to the
person from whom the purchase, delivery, or transfer is being made. Proper written
authorization is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the agency by which
the purchaser, transferee, or person otherwise acquiring ownership is employed, identifying the
employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction
for the exclusive use of the agency by which that individual is employed.

(8)(a) A properly identified sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with
Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or properly identified sworn federal law enforcement officer,
who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer's duties.
(b )( 1) Proper identification is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the
agency by which the purchaser or transferee is employed, identifying the purchaser or transferee
as a full-time paid peace officer who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of
the officer's duties.
(2) The certification shall be delivered to the vendor at the time of purchase or transfer and the
purchaser or transferee shall provide bona fide evidence of identity to verify that he or she is the
person authorized in the certification.
(3) The vendor shall keep the certification with the record of sale and submit the certification to
the Department.
(f) The Department of Justice is authorized to adopt regulations to implement the provisions of
this section.



Your credentials as a sworn officer may suffice. I hope they do. But if a vendor requires signed certification from your boss (because that is what the law says), are you going to argue about it?

All that [PC 30352(e)(8)] only applies when acquiring ammo from a CA licensed ammunition vendors and it goes into effect on 07-01-2019. [PC 30352]

It's needed info in order to be exempt for the CA DROS and CA "instant background check" on ammunition transfers by a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor. [PC 30352(e)]



Penal Code 30352
(a) Commencing July 1, 2019, an ammunition vendor shall not sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any ammunition without, at the time of delivery, legibly recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the Department of Justice:
(1) The date of the sale or other transfer.
(2) The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other identification number and the state in which it was issued.
(3) The brand, type, and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred.
(4) The purchaser's or transferee's full name and signature.
(5) The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction.
(6) The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and telephone number.
(7) The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.
(b) Commencing July 1, 2019, an ammunition vendor shall electronically submit to the department the information required by subdivision (a) for all sales and transfers of ownership of ammunition. The department shall retain this information in a database to be known as the Ammunition Purchase Records File. This information shall remain confidential and may be used by the department and those entities specified in, and pursuant to, subdivision (b) or (c) of Section 11105, through the California Law Enforcement Telecommunications System, only for law enforcement purposes. The ammunition vendor shall not use, sell, disclose, or share the information for any other purpose other than the submission required by this subdivision without the express written consent of the purchaser or transferee.
(c) Commencing on July 1, 2019, only those persons listed in this subdivision, or those persons or entities listed in subdivision (e), shall be authorized to purchase ammunition. Prior to delivering any ammunition, an ammunition vendor shall require bona fide evidence of identity to verify that the person who is receiving delivery of the ammunition is a person or entity listed in subdivision (e) or one of the following:
(1) A person authorized to purchase ammunition pursuant to Section 30370.
(2) A person who was approved by the department to receive a firearm from the ammunition vendor, pursuant to Section 28220, if that vendor is a licensed firearms dealer, and the ammunition is delivered to the person in the same transaction as the firearm.
(d) Commencing July 1, 2019, the ammunition vendor shall verify with the department, in a manner prescribed by the department, that the person is authorized to purchase ammunition. If the person is not listed as an authorized ammunition purchaser, the vendor shall deny the sale or transfer.
(e) Subdivisions (a) and (d) shall not apply to sales or other transfers of ownership of ammunition by ammunition vendors to any of the following, if properly identified:
(7) An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state or federal government, if the sale or other transfer of ownership is for exclusive use by that government agency, and, prior to the sale, delivery, or transfer of the handgun ammunition, written authorization from the head of the agency authorizing the transaction is presented to the person from whom the purchase, delivery, or transfer is being made. Proper written authorization is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the agency by which the purchaser, transferee, or person otherwise acquiring ownership is employed, identifying the employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the exclusive use of the agency by which that individual is employed.
(8)(A) A properly identified sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or properly identified sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer's duties.
(B)(i) Proper identification is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the agency by which the purchaser or transferee is employed, identifying the purchaser or transferee as a full-time paid peace officer who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer's duties.
(ii) The certification shall be delivered to the vendor at the time of purchase or transfer and the purchaser or transferee shall provide bona fide evidence of identity to verify that he or she is the person authorized in the certification.
(iii) The vendor shall keep the certification with the record of sale and submit the certification to the department.
(f) The department is authorized to adopt regulations to implement the provisions of this section.

[Ralston]

Ammo 2018

As for Targetsportsusa I sent them an email but waiting to hear back.

(Quoted wrong post-edit)