Ammo 2018

[Dutch3]

Dutch3 a Law enforcement credentials is proper identification by the head of the agency and is signed by the head of the agency. It states what kind of peace officer status a person holds which is a full time peace officer and gives me authorization to carry a firearm on and off duty. Also, let’s say I pull over a an off duty officer and he is carry off duty. I will ask to see his Law Enforcement credentials to properly identify if he is in fact a law enforcement officer and he can carry off duty. I don’t know one cop that walks around carrying his badge and credentials along with a letter saying he is a cop. Don’t be a hater Dutch3. I have never asked to see a letter from a cop to verify he is a cop. I ask for his credentials which is what properly identifies him. Traditional form of I’d is a California drivers licensed or state of with current address which the ammo will be delivered to so, Hah!! I say...

FUD.

Yeah, let’s just say you definately opened your mouth on this one with that silly claim.


I suggest you just stick with the non LE topics from now on, as sworn LE stuff doesn’t pertain to you anyway.

Yeah, pretty much how I figured it would go.

Bear in mind, I was just posting what the law actually says in regard to the definition of 'proper identification'. I guess that makes me a 'hater' somehow.

Have a nice day, all.

[esy]

Yeah, pretty much how I figured it would go.

Bear in mind, I was just posting what the law actually says in regard to the definition of 'proper identification'. I guess that makes me a 'hater' somehow.

Have a nice day, all.

[xLoLo626x]

Originally Posted by*Dutch3*

Yeah, pretty much how I figured it would go.

Bear in mind, I was just posting what the law actually says in regard to the definition of 'proper identification'. I guess that makes me a 'hater' somehow.

Have a nice day, all.

How did you think it was going to go ? Clearly you came off like a straight douche attempting to insult a LEO's intelligence. And like the man said...your not LEO or have an understanding of departmental policies. Some FFL bypass 10days dros with a departmental letter head signed by a Captain or above. That was the original question if a LEOs badge/credentials he carries daily is sufficient or if the A.B. is referring to a Letter Head. Next time dont come off like such a smarta**.

[Ralston]

Ammo 2018

From AIM surplus-

We will need a letter on official letterhead from the head of your agency identifying the officer as an employee of the agency, stating he/she is authorized to purchase the ammo, and that the ammo is for duty purposes only.

[TacopsDep417]

That’s awesome because I won’t be ordering from AIM surplus when I can get better deals shipped to my door from other companies lol.

[xLoLo626x]

AIM can kick rocks! SG Ammo is the way to go...all they require is your departmental ID and proof of residence and they'll ship to your home.

[Dutch3]

I posted the actual text of the law; and was immediately attacked as 'a hater', and of making a 'silly claim'.


The law is what the law is. Don't attack me for posting it. Better to attack Gavin and Kevin for the jerks they are. Have a nice day.

[Ralston]

Customer.Service@palmettostatearmory.com

[Ralston]

Mr. XXXXX,

We apologize, in accordance with California Proposition 63 we have ended shipping ammunition as of December 19th midnight eastern. This was done to ensure that all products are received prior to the January 1st deadline as required by your state. We are no longer accepting orders that bill or ship from California.

Thanks,
Mitch
Natchez Shooters Supplies
1-800-251-7839

[TacopsDep417]

9) An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state or federal government, if the sale or other transfer is for exclusive use by that government agency, and, prior to the sale, delivery, or transfer of the ammunition, written authorization from the head of the agency authorizing the transaction is presented to the person from whom the purchase, delivery, or transfer is being made. Proper written authorization is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the agency, or designee, by which the purchaser, transferee, or person otherwise acquiring ownership is employed, identifying the employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the exclusive use of the agency by which that individual is employed.
(10) A properly identified sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 or properly identified sworn member of a federal law enforcement agency who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.

[TacopsDep417]

After reading the entire law. The only time a letter is required is if the person ordering who works for a law enforcement agency is ordering it for Agency personnel to use. Depending on the agency some have civilian non sworn staff working the logistics of buying department supplies. In the law there are 2 subsections which clearly say who needs a Department letter and who doesn’t need a Department letter. A law enforcement representative can mean a clerk, accountant warehouse worker, law enforcement technician that works for a law enforcement agency that’s responsible for ordering ammo for the agency.
The second subsection applies to sworn law enforcement officers that only need proper identification which are department credentials. There is no mention of a Department letter for sworn law enforcement officers. Palmetto state armory and aims surplus will eventually read the law correctly because these are different subsections that apply to different individuals.

[TacopsDep417]

Here is a link to the whole Law and so dutch3 there you go as there is no mention of a Department letter in the section for sworn law enforcement...

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB156

[Bobby Ricigliano]

The way it reads, you will need written confirmation from your boss, as well as traditional forms of ID. I'll get flamed for this, but it is pretty clear to anyone with normal reading comprehension.

Dutch3 a Law enforcement credentials is proper identification by the head of the agency and is signed by the head of the agency.

I posted the actual text of the law; and was immediately attacked as 'a hater', and of making a 'silly claim'.


The law is what the law is. Don't attack me for posting it. Better to attack Gavin and Kevin for the ****stains they are. Have a nice day.

Valid information is welcomed in this section, LEO or not. But it seems Mr. Dutch decided to cut and paste the law, followed by his snarky and incorrect interpretation of it.

TacopsDep417's rebuttal is correct, and that should have been the end of it. But if Dutch still wanted to stick around and argue about it, the resulting dogpile was really quite predictable.

[Dutch3]

Here is a link to the whole Law and so dutch3 there you go as there is no mention of a Department letter in the section for sworn law enforcement...

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201520160AB156

That is AB-1516, which was in the 15-16 session. No longer valid.

We are now under Prop 63, relevant text follows. Have a nice day.

f&t-(7) An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state
or federal government, if the sale or other transfer of ownership is for exclusive use by that
government agency, and, prior to the sale, delivery, or transfer of the handgun ammunition,
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written authorization from the head of the agency authorizing the transaction is presented to the
person from whom the purchase, delivery, or transfer is being made. Proper written
authorization is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the agency by which
the purchaser, transferee, or person otherwise acquiring ownership is employed, identifying the
employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction
for the exclusive use of the agency by which that individual is employed.

(8)(a) A properly identified sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with
Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or properly identified sworn federal law enforcement officer,
who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer's duties.
(b )( 1) Proper identification is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the
agency by which the purchaser or transferee is employed, identifying the purchaser or transferee
as a full-time paid peace officer who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of
the officer's duties.
(2) The certification shall be delivered to the vendor at the time of purchase or transfer and the
purchaser or transferee shall provide bona fide evidence of identity to verify that he or she is the
person authorized in the certification.
(3) The vendor shall keep the certification with the record of sale and submit the certification to
the Department.
(f) The Department of Justice is authorized to adopt regulations to implement the provisions of
this section.



Your credentials as a sworn officer may suffice. I hope they do. But if a vendor requires signed certification from your boss (because that is what the law says), are you going to argue about it?

[esy]

Just. Stop.