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[Oneinthehole]

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[TRICKSTER]

Seriously? They are criminals, that should tell you all you need to know, they could care less about the law.

[Cokebottle]

I realize that. I am simply attempting to make a case that these laws don't make sense.

That case can be easily made by looking at every gun-related crime to be prosecuted since gun laws existed.

It doesn't matter... smarter people than us have taken this before the courts.

[Cokebottle]

Is your goal a school project, or preparing something for a court challenge?

The difference would be whether I would say "Don't bother"

But yes, by simple virtue of the criminal act, the criminal is not compliant.
I provided video to the local PD of a robbery victim being beaten by a 30rd Glock magazine after it fell from the gun (thank God it was not properly inserted, otherwise the victim would have died when the trigger was pulled with the gun against his head)

Robbery is illegal - Criminals do not comply
Using a gun in a crime is illegal (10 year enhancement!) - Criminals do not comply
Murder is illegal - Criminals do not comply

Criminals do not believe that they will be caught. They are using unregistered/or stolen guns that can't be traced to them except through fingerprints.

Seriously not trying to be a smartass... but it's a no-brainer that gun laws do very little to reduce crime. Chicago and Oakland will show that.

[Rockit]

Maybe I should be asking this:

Have you ever confiscated a fully CA compliant rifle from a gang member?

yes...
but it was also stolen.

[micro911]

I'm not LEO. I just wanted to ask these questions to LEOs that actually witness it first hand.

This mainly focuses on the gangsters/thugs who actively break laws. The career criminals.

How often are criminals compliant with CA gun laws?
How often do their rifles have bullet buttons?
How often do they have magazines that hold over 10 rounds?

Are you serious?

I saw all kinds of guns, both CA compliant and illegal assault weapons, quite frequently.

[esy]

I'm not LEO. I just wanted to ask these questions to LEOs that actually witness it first hand.

This mainly focuses on the gangsters/thugs who actively break laws. The career criminals.

How often are criminals compliant with CA gun laws?
How often do their rifles have bullet buttons?
How often do they have magazines that hold over 10 rounds?

You answered your own question.

[Country_Jim]

I'm not LEO. I just wanted to ask these questions to LEOs that actually witness it first hand.

This mainly focuses on the gangsters/thugs who actively break laws. The career criminals.

How often are criminals compliant with CA gun laws?
How often do their rifles have bullet buttons?
How often do they have magazines that hold over 10 rounds?

I offer the above quote as proof that there are such things as dumb questions.

[CinnamonBear723]

I've seen both compliant and non compliant. The compliant ones are usually left at home though. Gangsters and "thugs" know better than to use their own guns for crimin'. The compliant ones I've taken were the result of search warrants. Street guns are usually stolen and large majority are handguns because rifles are harder to conceal.

[1911su16b870]

It's an assured destruction doctrine...if the criminal is at a tactical disadvantage where their non-compliance will lead to their destruction, then they are compliant.

e.g. if they think they can lie and get off, then it is in their interest to be compliant...of feign compliance until they can actively resist/flee.

[tyrist]

Every gang member I have caught with a gun is either stolen, filed off serial number, or it was purchased out of state in multi handgun sale.

[Stanze]

Convicted felons are not required to register their guns. It's a violation of their 5th amendment rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States

The original Haynes decision continues to block state prosecutions of criminals who fail to register guns as required by various state law gun registration schemes.

[CBR_rider]

Maybe I should be asking this:

Have you ever confiscated a fully CA compliant rifle from a gang member?

Yes

[CinnamonBear723]

Convicted felons are not required to register their guns. It's a violation of their 5th amendment rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States

Yep. Nice liberal interpretation of the 5th amendment. As long as we are protecting the felon's rights, we are doing good for society. The age of the victim criminal is upon us.

[doggie]

Criminals are compliant once they have a double-tap in their brain pan. Until then, no.