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  • #16
    DNA
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 1517

    Think of the big picture. This statement is why we have restrictive pursuit policies and why suspects run all the damned time. They've been conditioned to know there's no consequences to their actions of they aren't caught which in turn increases their behavior which puts every single law abiding citizen at risk.

    Yes, he's a police officer, but the guy is also human. We've all got breaking points, expecting a T1000 is not reasonable. Do we expect better? Yes. Will he catch consequences? Yes?

    Will any of these involved teens learn anything?

    Dan
    Originally posted by bigmike82
    That doesn't matter.

    If you believe in Liberty, you should believe it for everyone, not simply those whom you agree with.

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    • #17
      eta34
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2006
      • 2432

      What should be the appropriate punishment for the main teens involved? Their initial offense was walking on his lawn and being verbally disrespectful. Do you think you or the criminal justice system will "teach" them anything? Come on.

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      • #18
        DNA
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 1517

        What does the criminal "justice" teach anyone these days other than don't get caught, and if caught lie?

        Please it's a societal breakdown problem. People are complicite when they reward such behavior. The parents should fix their problems, but we all know that's not gonna happen either. Although I'm sure the parents will be first in line to sue for emotional distress on behalf of their beloved children.

        Dan
        Originally posted by bigmike82
        That doesn't matter.

        If you believe in Liberty, you should believe it for everyone, not simply those whom you agree with.

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        • #19
          eta34
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2006
          • 2432

          Absolutely. It is a societal problem. A parent problem. And one that this kid was not going to fix in that situation. I understand his frustration. But was it worth it here? Even if he was completely justified (I believe he was not), was proving this point worth losing his career and putting his family in danger? Not to me.

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          • #20
            Rogue187
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2007
            • 1157

            Some of you are spouting out the orifice that has no teeth.
            If you look around you will see there are other clips of video.

            One of those clips show a individual reaching behind his back and appears to be pulling a weapon.

            The officer draws his firearm when he was threatened and this one individual reached behind his back and appears to be drawing a weapon.

            There are many points of view.. Officer involved, Suspect involved, Hostile witness view, Friendly witness view.

            There is something your missing in this whole event..Your jumping to conclusions that are not present.

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            • #21
              el_pistolero
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2016
              • 7

              I have noticed a trend in the way people have responded to this situation:

              1) See I told you cops are horrible/racist/bullies, etc etc

              2) Police officer is always right. End of story. Deport the parents

              Few are the people who are willing to say both parties acted irresponsibly and share responsibility in the outcome. I'm glad nobody was seriously injured but unfortunately people are already using this event to further divide people.

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              • #22
                Bobby Ricigliano
                Mit Gott und Mauser
                CGN Contributor
                • Feb 2011
                • 17439

                Originally posted by mrbongo01
                First and formost, I am not involved in law enforcement. I am however involved in a pretty heated debate about rules of engagement and protocols.
                Why bother? Having "heated debates" with people over philosophical views is pointless and a waste of time.

                State your opinion, and move on. There is nothing more pathetic than hearing people brag about "winning" an argument on Facebook or some other nonsense.

                I watched that video and I have an opinion about it. But having a tedious debate with people who are not LEO's and have a pre-loaded bias isn't going to move them, or me, an inch.

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                • #23
                  Bobby Ricigliano
                  Mit Gott und Mauser
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 17439

                  For the sake of this particular forum, the responses to the OP's question should be from LEO's only.

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                  • #24
                    Bobby Ricigliano
                    Mit Gott und Mauser
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 17439

                    P.S. It is not in my nature to second guess situations where I was not present or privy to all the facts. But in a very general sense, many such issues can be proactively resolved with sturdy fences and unfriendly dogs.

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                    • #25
                      keeler48
                      Junior Member
                      • Oct 2016
                      • 8

                      We see this every day, kids these days have no respect for anything, rules, laws or anyone, LA, teachers, parents. It all comes back to the family, no family guidance no respect. Charge the parents, Oh thats not PC ?

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                      • #26
                        SMarquez
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 2216

                        Originally posted by Bobby Ricigliano
                        P.S. It is not in my nature to second guess situations where I was not present or privy to all the facts. But in a very general sense, many such issues can be proactively resolved with sturdy fences and unfriendly dogs.
                        Not a LEO but I want to play. I would set my sprinkler timers to come on for 2-3 minutes every 5 minutes for a half hour or so to coincide when school gets out. With todays societal dysfunction there likely isn't a reasonable way to get any respect or consideration from those kids or their parents.

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                        • #27
                          eth727
                          Member
                          • Mar 2014
                          • 440

                          I'm not a LEO but in my opinion he stood his ground just like George Zimmerman. The kids started it and they escalated it with punches and who knows what else might've been in someone's back pocket. I'm not Naive to think that teenagers don't carry cocealed weapons,knives,box cutter,brass knuckles,gun. There is a mob mentality out there and it doesn't take much for a spark to turn into flame. I want to donate some money to repair his windows. He deserves our thanks and respect for keeping us safe.
                          No I'm not racist.

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                          • #28
                            stevebla
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2015
                            • 732

                            Discretion is the better part of valor. With that said those "kids" in there nice cloths were total ___ holes. This country is in deep poop with young people like that.

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                            • #29
                              Librarian
                              Admin and Poltergeist
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 44652

                              My opinion: pocket carry is slow to access.
                              ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                              Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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                              • #30
                                Ulfhednar
                                Member
                                CGN Contributor
                                • Jan 2017
                                • 104

                                Originally posted by Librarian
                                My opinion: pocket carry is slow to access.
                                Totally agreed, and especially if you are moving or being forced into exaggerated postures where accessing the pocket itself become troublesome!
                                16 "A coward believes he will ever live
                                if he keep him safe from strife:
                                but old age leaves him not long in peace
                                though spears may spare his life."
                                38 "Let a man never stir on his road a step
                                without his weapons of war;
                                for unsure is the knowing when need shall arise
                                of a spear on the way without."
                                *Degree and a DD 214*

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