Prop 63 and retired LE

[gogohopper]

No Zhlt. Be very careful not to insult the "more equals", they'll use it as rational for screwing you even more.

Go back to Off Topic, the adults are talking.

Lol. It's happened here before. Attack the messenger, not the message I see.

[CBR_rider]

Well, worth noting that Prop 63 is opposed by PORAC and the California Police Chief's Association, among others. The only listed support by law enforcement for the proposition is by left wing officials in left wing cities/counties.....

[Country_Jim]

Well, worth noting that Prop 63 is opposed by PORAC and the California Police Chief's Association, among others. The only listed support by law enforcement for the proposition is by left wing officials in left wing cities/counties.....

Don't confuse people with facts.

[Never Convicted]

is this the latest version ?

Section 32450 of the Penal Code is amended to read:
32450. Section 32310 does not apply to the purchase or possession of a large-capacity magazine
by the holder of a special weapons permit issued pursuant to Section 31000, 32650, or 33300, or
pursuant to Article 3 ( commencing with Section 18900) of Chapter 1 of Division 5 of Title 2, or
pursuant to Article 4 (commencing with Section 32700) of Chapter 6 of this division, for any of
the following purposes:
(a) For use solely as a prop for a motion picture, television, or video production.
(b) For export pursuant to federal regulations.
(c) For resale to law enforcement agencies, government agencies, or the military, pursuant to
applicable federal regulations.

"Ventura Police Chief Ken Corney, president of the chiefs’ group, said law enforcement worked with lawmakers to make the new system from the Legislature workable. It includes exemptions for retired law enforcement officers, animal control officers, concealed weapon permit holders and others."

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-proposition-63-overlap-20161025-snap-story.html

Not sure what to believe anymore ... nor where to find those specfic exemptions ...

[Never Convicted]

update:

sent an email to the author and got a quick response to my question:

Q: did you verify that the exemptions noted below, were actually included in the legislature text :

"Ventura Police Chief Ken Corney, president of the chiefs’ group, said law enforcement worked with lawmakers to make the new system from the Legislature workable. It includes exemptions for retired law enforcement officers, animal control officers, concealed weapon permit holders and others."

authors response was:

A: "State officials and the Prop. 63 campaign both interpreted the language of the legislation to include the exemptions."

[gogohopper]

law enforcement worked with lawmakers to make the new system from the Legislature workable. It includes exemptions for retired law enforcement officers, animal control officers, concealed weapon permit holders and others."

authors response was:

A: "State officials and the Prop. 63 campaign both interpreted the language of the legislation to include the exemptions."

You missed a part :/

The next time someone tries to claim that these exemptions "just happen" or are "unwanted" and "not requested".

Queue the "LEO hater", whiner, or too bad, responses.

[f4irder2]

Hey, I retired from the military! Where is my exemption?

[Bruce]

"The goal is to apply political pressure to our enemies. If they support
antigun bills, we try to work thru courts to take their special privileges
away....
. . . no off-Roster personal handguns. Dept can issue/buy.
. . . no hicap mags for personal use outside of duty.
. . . no LEO AW permits. Dept can buy.
. . . no retiree carry privileges. LEO can apply like anyone
else in the sheriff's office. "[/B]

That quote is not from Newsome, Harris or Bloomberg, but from one of the directors of Calguns Foundation, Bill Wiese. To him apparently, LEOs are the "enemy".

Post #25

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=18900870#post18900870

[eta34]

Regardless of my opinions of this bill, I will never support the Calguns Foundation because of Bill Wiese. It has everything to do with his comment some time ago endorsing the deaths of narcotics officers.

[yzErnie]

"The goal is to apply political pressure to our enemies. If they support
antigun bills, we try to work thru courts to take their special privileges
away....
. . . no off-Roster personal handguns. Dept can issue/buy.
. . . no hicap mags for personal use outside of duty.
. . . no LEO AW permits. Dept can buy.
. . . no retiree carry privileges. LEO can apply like anyone
else in the sheriff's office. "[/B]

That quote is not from Newsome, Harris or Bloomberg, but from one of the directors of Calguns Foundation, Bill Wiese. To him apparently, LEOs are the "enemy".

Post #25
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...0#post18900870

IMO, Bill Wiese is an a**hole, well known for his anti LE stance and encourages people to lie in order to be able to get off roster guns. He has openly condoned the murders of LE. F**k him.


That said...Prop 63 affects all of California's lawful citizens

VOTE NO on Prop 63

[roostersgt]

I'm still dumbfounded that anyone here thinks retired LEO's give a hoot about hi-cap/standard cap magazines. The firearms I conceal carry only hold between 5-7 rounds. I don't know anyone who is retired that carries a full sized handgun. Most carry a LCP, or G42/43. Couldn't care less about retiree "exemption" that have some here foaming at the mouth.

[RangemasterP226]

I'm still dumbfounded that anyone here thinks retired LEO's give a hoot about hi-cap/standard cap magazines. The firearms I conceal carry only hold between 5-7 rounds. I don't know anyone who is retired that carries a full sized handgun. Most carry a LCP, or G42/43. Couldn't care less about retiree "exemption" that have some here foaming at the mouth.

Respectfully disagree sir, I'm about to retire and I want to keep my legally acquired Glock 19 and AR mags.

Having said that, NO on 63!

[desertjosh]

There should be no exemptions all or no one.
These laws exempting certain people just drive that wedge deeper to divide us.

Absolutely agree!

[gogohopper]

It includes exemptions for retired law enforcement officers, animal control officers, concealed weapon permit holders and others."

authors response was:

A: "State officials and the Prop. 63 campaign both interpreted the language of the legislation to include the exemptions."

I'm still dumbfounded that anyone here thinks retired LEO's give a hoot about hi-cap/standard cap magazines. The firearms I conceal carry only hold between 5-7 rounds. I don't know anyone who is retired that carries a full sized handgun. Most carry a LCP, or G42/43. Couldn't care less about retiree "exemption" that have some here foaming at the mouth.

Rooster, this thread was started by an leo that cared enough to ask if the exemptions were in place. Another leo cared enough to assure him they were.

I'm glad you claim not to care, but enough leo do care to ensure their bosses and unions keep their 2a rights preserved, while helping reduce those of non leo.

Shouldn't leo just vote no, regardless of wether or not leo exemptions have been included?

[yzErnie]

I'm still dumbfounded that anyone here thinks retired LEO's give a hoot about hi-cap/standard cap magazines. The firearms I conceal carry only hold between 5-7 rounds. I don't know anyone who is retired that carries a full sized handgun. Most carry a LCP, or G42/43. Couldn't care less about retiree "exemption" that have some here foaming at the mouth.

It's a much deeper issue than just off-duty pieces. It's about our fundamental rights granted to us by the Constitution of the United States. I am wholeheartedly against the attempts by this state to steal what we lawfully own. Doesn't the 4th Amendment cover everyone from these types of issues?

And yes, foaming at the mouth is a necessary evil in the fight against the wack jobs of this state who think their opinions and feelings supersede the Constitution of the United States.

And BTW, I keep my P226 with my 20rd mag in it within whatever vehicle I am driving. Why you say?...because 5-7rds may not be enough and because I can.